UK ATPL to EASA - moving on
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Thank you deltahotel. I would suggest that it is now termed a "UK part FCL" by the CAA, which is fine I suppose - they can call it whatever they like! The reality is though, that it was earned under EASA as a lifetime licence, and in order to now not be recognised by EASA, it would have had to be specifically and legally revoked by EASA.
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I’m definitely not an expert but I think it went like this. A pilot with a UK issued licence had to make a decision. Do nothing then on the stroke of midnight post Brexit the it became an ICAO licence issued by the UK. As far as EASA are concerned the fact that it was the same licence previously is irrelevant. This was how it was explained to me in an European training outfit. It’s just another ICAO licence.
Alternatively, you could have SOLI’d it across to another European authority. I know there were pilots at easyJet who went for the Austrian licence. Then post Brexit the UK CAA are allowing pilots with an EASA licence to convert allowing an orderly transition to the post Brexit world. I believe that ends this year.
I was chatting to a BALPA rep about this and I believe that the European Cockpit Association are lobbying EASA/UK to recognise UK licences and vice versa. Basically what we had before. Remember the CAA didn’t want to leave EASA but were forced to by their political masters. Does all this make sense - No. Was it entirely predictable. Absolutely! Happy to stand corrected.
I’m definitely not an expert but I think it went like this. A pilot with a UK issued licence had to make a decision. Do nothing then on the stroke of midnight post Brexit the it became an ICAO licence issued by the UK. As far as EASA are concerned the fact that it was the same licence previously is irrelevant. This was how it was explained to me in an European training outfit. It’s just another ICAO licence.
Alternatively, you could have SOLI’d it across to another European authority. I know there were pilots at easyJet who went for the Austrian licence. Then post Brexit the UK CAA are allowing pilots with an EASA licence to convert allowing an orderly transition to the post Brexit world. I believe that ends this year.
I was chatting to a BALPA rep about this and I believe that the European Cockpit Association are lobbying EASA/UK to recognise UK licences and vice versa. Basically what we had before. Remember the CAA didn’t want to leave EASA but were forced to by their political masters. Does all this make sense - No. Was it entirely predictable. Absolutely! Happy to stand corrected.
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Good post BBK. I believe the dreadful Shapps has his greasy hands all over this. The previous Uk licence was EASA compliant and there is zero difference in the licences in terms of syllabus and content. There was no need to separate from EASA and the motives were purely political regardless of inconvenience to the UK pilot group.
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I’m definitely not an expert but I think it went like this. A pilot with a UK issued licence had to make a decision. Do nothing then on the stroke of midnight post Brexit the it became an ICAO licence issued by the UK. As far as EASA are concerned the fact that it was the same licence previously is irrelevant. This was how it was explained to me in an European training outfit. It’s just another ICAO licence.
Alternatively, you could have SOLI’d it across to another European authority. I know there were pilots at easyJet who went for the Austrian licence. Then post Brexit the UK CAA are allowing pilots with an EASA licence to convert allowing an orderly transition to the post Brexit world. I believe that ends this year.
I was chatting to a BALPA rep about this and I believe that the European Cockpit Association are lobbying EASA/UK to recognise UK licences and vice versa. Basically what we had before. Remember the CAA didn’t want to leave EASA but were forced to by their political masters. Does all this make sense - No. Was it entirely predictable. Absolutely! Happy to stand corrected.
I’m definitely not an expert but I think it went like this. A pilot with a UK issued licence had to make a decision. Do nothing then on the stroke of midnight post Brexit the it became an ICAO licence issued by the UK. As far as EASA are concerned the fact that it was the same licence previously is irrelevant. This was how it was explained to me in an European training outfit. It’s just another ICAO licence.
Alternatively, you could have SOLI’d it across to another European authority. I know there were pilots at easyJet who went for the Austrian licence. Then post Brexit the UK CAA are allowing pilots with an EASA licence to convert allowing an orderly transition to the post Brexit world. I believe that ends this year.
I was chatting to a BALPA rep about this and I believe that the European Cockpit Association are lobbying EASA/UK to recognise UK licences and vice versa. Basically what we had before. Remember the CAA didn’t want to leave EASA but were forced to by their political masters. Does all this make sense - No. Was it entirely predictable. Absolutely! Happy to stand corrected.
There are several colleagues I know who now hold both a U.K. and EASA license. They did this for various reasons such as being British and working in or commuting to and from the EU, working for an EASA member airline etc.
It’s a very sad situation, and I have to agree it was motivated entirely by political considerations….
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Does anyone know where/ if you can look up EASA approved TREs in the Uk? Or advice on a UK location do do an EASA LPC in the 737?
I’m looking for a 737 TRE do do a skills test for the issue of an EASA licence from a UK one. Advice welcome.
thanks
I’m looking for a 737 TRE do do a skills test for the issue of an EASA licence from a UK one. Advice welcome.
thanks
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I suggest the blame lies more with No.10 and the ERG than with the DfT, which did lobby its political masters for retained EASA membership but were told to toe the party line. Shapps could of course have stood by his principles and quit, rather than standing on them to raise his Cabinet profile, but that's modern British politics for you.
I foresee little chance of a bilateral aviation licensing agreement in the near future. EASA will need the nod of its member states to allow the UK to establish bilateral agreements with it, and, quite reasonably, schadenfreude continues to be a strong leitmotif in a post-Brexit continental Europe. 'Post-Brexit' is a misnomer for the UK though, as there's nothing 'post' about it. We've got years of 'Brexit-Limbo' ahead of us and bilaterals, I fear, are but a distant dream.
I foresee little chance of a bilateral aviation licensing agreement in the near future. EASA will need the nod of its member states to allow the UK to establish bilateral agreements with it, and, quite reasonably, schadenfreude continues to be a strong leitmotif in a post-Brexit continental Europe. 'Post-Brexit' is a misnomer for the UK though, as there's nothing 'post' about it. We've got years of 'Brexit-Limbo' ahead of us and bilaterals, I fear, are but a distant dream.
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Would you mind sharing the rough process you had to go through for this? Any flying etc or was it just a paperwork and fees based exercise? I don't think I could bear the 14 exam re-sit! Oh, and congratulations, glad you made it!
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Seems not at the moment but just call up and ask for one explaining it wasn’t included with your initial. I received it two days later after doing this
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Uk to EASA
Wondering if anyone has had any success with obtaining a EASA license without having to resit all the theory exams. I have a UK license but really need to obtain a EASA license now my situation has changed. I have contacted EASA & CAA sometime ago but am still awaiting a response.
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This from Transport Malta is pretty good: https://www.transport.gov.mt/07-PEL-...tion.pdf-f7066
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This from Transport Malta is pretty good: https://www.transport.gov.mt/07-PEL-...tion.pdf-f7066