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UK ATPL to EASA - moving on

Old 11th Jul 2021, 19:53
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Papaechonovember - Thanks for the steer regarding the medicals - wasn't aware I could get an EASA initial in the UK. I've also sent you a PM.

Richard Richard - Would be very interested to hear how you get on regarding your medical. My medical was also previously an EASA one, and it would be handy not to have to another full on Initial!

kbd1992 - I'm in a very similar situation to you. The IAA have been pretty helpful to me and have confirmed that my ATPL exam results sat last year with the UK CAA as EASA exams, will remain valid for the purposes of issuing an EASA licences, as long as they are within their normal validity period (ie, 36 Months).

Now I'm working on what flying I actually need to do, though I'm planning on doing it in an SEP simply to ensure my exam passes don't expire and keep the cost down (just in case I need an EASA in the future). I'm waiting for a few schools to get back to me, and a lot of places don't really seem to know as this whole situation is relatively new, but as far as I can see, I need;
-An EASA class 1 Medical.
-Training as required to pass a CPL skills test.
-In my case as I have 50+ Hrs PIC IFR (I'm a Military Pilot, which is how I've accrued these), I'm looking at the CB-IR route, which as far as I can tell, is also Training as required and pass the test once you have 50+ Hrs PIC IFR.#

Regarding the right to live/work in the EU - I'm curious as to how that affects BizJet operators. The likes of Netjets/Vistajet have UK passport holder with a UK base (but EASA licences) flying for them.

Would appreciate any steers/corrections etc.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 12:24
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Why would any UK citizen be interested in an EASA license given that they are effectively barred from employment in the EU? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 12:32
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There are airlines with UK bases which require EASA licences.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 12:38
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Langeveldt, the Brexit agreement didn't stipulate that existing airlines with a European AOC and base of operation in the UK have to convert to a UK AOC. In fact, they're even allowed to expand which is what's happening in front of our very eyes. And being European AOC holders, they can only hire those with EASA licenses. Brits haven't launched a decent sized airline in decades. Ryanair, Wizzair are happy playing that role out of the UK using cheap foreign labour and questionable employment practices.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 13:15
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And jobs in Ireland which UK citizens are eligible to apply for as the Common Travel Area enables them to live and work in Ireland.

And jobs around the world where the operator has decided to operate under EASA.

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Old 8th Aug 2021, 17:30
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Are there any actual jobs for low hours that UK citizens can apply to? Even for those with EASA licenses

All postings I am seeing require EU citizenship
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 19:03
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Try ask N.10, Downing Street. London. UK.

Jokes apart, no buddy. As per UK/EU TCA you became a third party Country. You need to have the right to live and work in Europe for that.
Lauda looks for EASA license holders for their base in Southend. Otherwise Ryanair (same family as Lauda).
Good luck.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 21:21
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Langeveldt

Well, since you said 'any', what about someone (like a large number of my colleagues) who are UK citizens with the right to live and work in the EU?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 08:54
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Any updates?

Hey, I have the similar situation... Any advice on how to transfer UK CPL to EASA with ATPL? Do you have any progress in this case?
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Old 13th Aug 2021, 08:52
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What county are you using to try and transfer your UK CPL?
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Old 13th Aug 2021, 09:06
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Has anyone got any luck with Austro Control or Malta CAA. I am currently in a similar situation trying to transfer my UK CPL to EASA ATPL. I was able to receive an email from EASA itself prooving that ATPL exams are still valid for 7 years if it was obtained under UK CAA before 2021 or 7 years since last IR rating validity. Clarification of the regulations is only a Google click away, either Part FCL or FCL.025 (c )(2) which confirms:

(c) Validity period

(1) The successful completion of the theoretical knowledge examinations will be valid:

(i) for the issue of a light aircraft pilot licence, a private pilot licence, a sailplane pilot

licence or a balloon pilot licence, for a period of 24 months;

(ii) for the issue of a commercial pilot licence, instrument rating (IR) or en route

instrument rating (EIR), for a period of 36 months;

(iii) the periods in (i) and (ii) shall be counted from the day when the pilot

successfully completes the theoretical knowledge examination, in accordance with

(b)(2).

(2) The completion of the airline transport pilot licence (ATPL) theoretical knowledge

examinations will remain valid for the issue of an ATPL for a period of 7 years from the last

validity date of:

(i) an IR entered in the licence; or

(ii) in the case of helicopters, a helicopter’s type rating entered in that licence.

The email states you cannot simply swap the licences but then says that individual states can accept your training / qualifications if you apply for a licence.

Therefore your TK exams are valid for 7 years from the last IR and you should not need to take them again.

You obviously would need to take an EASA Class 1 medical for the state you wish to apply for an EASA ATPL licence
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 11:30
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Hi all,

Any updates on the above thread? Has anyone successfully converted a UK licence to EASA in recent months using the exemptions for ATPL TK? Grateful for any news....
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 20:01
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Haven't done it personally as my employer required a move to the IAA years ago, but I know others who have. They've all used the Maltese CAA (TM-CAD), hopefully this helps..
  • Submit paperwork to the UK CAA to verify your licence.
  • Separately apply to the CAA for a copy of your ATPL exam results if you don't already have them.
  • Complete an initial EASA Class 1 medical. This can be done in the UK but must be at an AeMC (not direct with an AME). I think the AeMC's in the UK have Austro Control approval. You'd need to apply for a medical record transfer to TM-CAD if they won't accept the initial paperwork.
  • English Language Proficiency assessment. Can sometimes be done over Zoom with an LPE.
  • ATPL Skill Test. Potential to do the ELP here if your TRE is also an LPE.
  • Any ratings over and above the one for Skill Test need to be applied for separately.
My estimate for the above is £1500.

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Old 8th Oct 2021, 01:25
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Angry

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BREXIT negotiators bangled up the UK aviation market rendering UK CAA licences equivalent to a lic issued by Russia for all it matters.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 12:09
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Yep, I'm a UK citizen about to start my EASA ATPL's, as this will provide more jobs post brexit than having a UK License (in my opninion). However, I'm looking into obtaining both EASA and UK CAA FCL's.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 19:43
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It was such a shame Brexit, as the UK CAA was a great reference within the EASA framework on its many documents including FDM and CRM,etc,etc
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 21:42
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As a UK citizen I encourage you to obtain both licences as you’ll run into major issues holding only an EASA FCL without an EU passport.
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Old 2nd Nov 2021, 18:10
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Retaining the UK issued EASA licence??

Sorry!!…. guidance required regards the dreaded EASA/UK licence drama please…

I currently hold a valid rating issued by GCAA, operating for a major player in the middle east (which adheres to EASA rules). I also hold a ‘UK issued EASA licence’ which was issued in 2013 (IR expired).

UK CAA have confirmed that my UK issued EASA licence will revert back to a UK licence automatically. They also confirmed that I can transfer my current rating onto my UK licence, which will reset the 7 year IR cycle with no requirement to resit any theoretical examinations with the CAA. This can only be done as my operator conforms to ICAO third country regulations.

My main question is….Has anyone done something similar with regards to the EASA licence? Are there any EU states that will still allow me to retain my EASA licence privileges, either via SOLI, rating transfer or conversion from UK/CAA licence to EASA state, without any need to retake any theoretical examinations?

Is anyone in a similar situation or can share any ideas/solutions?
Thanks
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Old 3rd Nov 2021, 08:13
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EASA ATPL exams taken in the UK prior to 31/12/20 remain valid for the issue of an EASA licence for 7 years from the last validity date of an EASAIR entered in the licence. (The last possible validity date being 31/12/20)

If your last UK IR expired more than 7 years ago, or you never took the EASA exams at all (grandfathered in from JAR or Pre-JAR) then you'll have to take all 14.
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Old 3rd Nov 2021, 11:12
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Ok, thanks rudestuff.

So, Is anyone aware of any state/country within EASA accepting a current IR that could be transferred onto the EASA licence in order to try and retain the licence, similar to the new UK/CAA licence.

I do understand if someone has never held an EASA licence, (nor completed any examinations) that this would not/should not be possible. However, I do hold an EASA licence (which incidentally-indicates a lifetime validity) and I have been current since the day I walked out of flying college. The last IR which I took in the UK was in 2011, therefore IR expired on this licence in 2018 (7 years later). However, I have continued to operate under my GCAA licence continuing with a valid IR consecutively.

I find it hard to believe that EASA, or a state within, would not accept a transfer of rating taking into consideration that I have remained current and have previously held the EASA licence.

I was not made aware of any changes to my EASA licence. Being based overseas does not help, along with Brexit and Covid. Nothing was ever sent to my UK address, email or any other form of contact and I would wonder the legalities associated with this by not being adequately informed….brexit or not. One does not attend Oxford Aviation Training on a full time course at a cost close to £100,000 in order to jump through all the loop holes and embark on all the examinations, to then be told that it’s no longer valid- despite operating in the capacity as Captain flying a wide body jet around the globe. It’s ludicrous and a scam if there is nothing in place to recognise a pilots experience, the airline, the country and the previous/current licences held by an active pilot.

The UK issued EASA licence had a ‘derogation’ in that you could always transfer the IR in order to retain the licence without the requirement of any examination retakes. Is there a state within EU that would also recognise this derogation and therefore allow me to transfer my UK/EASA to their state (even though the so called deadline has past) recognising my current IR issued by an ICAO third country organisation.

There must be many in my position who want to retain their licence privileges.

Does anyone know who we can contact or direct our complaint to at EASA?

I’m new on here, but appreciate all advice. Thanks
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