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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 16th Jul 2020, 11:21
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Originally Posted by Cuillin Hills View Post

In BAs case, replace a base with an aircraft fleet..

Sorry.
It won't effect me personally but it's leaving a sour taste in some mouths..

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 12:04
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It would be fairly scandalous to say you’re trying to save as many jobs as possible, and then reject VR applications from those who are trying to help you achieve your ‘aim’.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 12:21
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Some dont seem to realise that in this game the company has the bat and the ball.
BALPA may not be everyones cup of tea but from the initial starting point proposals they appear to have done pretty well.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 12:55
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Meanwhile...news is at least some of those who registered an interest in VR off the popular fleets (specifically 787), a few quite senior, are being denied parole.

I hope that doesn't mean more CR elsewhere to make the numbers balance....
Couldn’t a leaving date be agreed for those wanting to voluntarily leave the ‘favoured’ fleet(s) once an appropriate replacement is trained from one of the ‘unpopular’ fleets? I’m not party to any of this but isn’t that the idea of the pool of circa 300 retained pilots?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
How has nobody mentioned that spending 50% of your basic income on your mortgage payments is terrible financial planning!?
probably because anyone who did; would sound like a pompous [email protected]
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 14:33
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I’m not especially surprised they are denying VR from the 787. They didn’t really want to offer VR at all, but probably decided to, because it gives them the flexibility to pick and choose who they let go. Also, they were not keen on part time for all (which would have removed the need for any CR) because they didn’t want 787 and A350 guys going part time and increasing the retraining load onto those fleets.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 22:44
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Apparently BA have announced by internal email this evening that the B747-400 fleet will not return to service.

A VERY sad day as a retired BA B747-400 captain.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 22:51
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Yes very sad. It has been pretty much inevitable since this all kicked off, but it is still sad to see it officially in black and white. It does say ‘subject to consultation’, whatever that means?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 23:00
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Angry

GS

I would think that the consultation is more about what happens to those on the fleet rather than the aircraft being brought back, unfortunately :cry
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 23:09
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Yeah that’s what concerns me, as one of those on the fleet.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 23:14
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My heartfelt thoughts and best wishes are with you and my former colleagues (and current friends) on the fleet.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 05:31
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Thanks TopBunk.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 06:57
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JOSHUA

Despite most of what you said being true (I'm almost 15 years younger than you if your published age is correct) it dosent change the fact that having a mortgage that high is a terrible idea, particularly as a pilot. I don't live in London so that helps but my total housing commitments (mortgage, elec etc) were about 25% of my FO take home salary and less than 20% of a Captain's. Now I can understand to some extent people taking a risk at BA both due to the 'job for life' thinking and also London house pricing but even something as simple as temporarily losing your medical could plunge you into immediate financial crisis, never mind long term furlough or losing your job, it's simply a really bad idea, as is now being demonstrated.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 07:22
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
It does say ‘subject to consultation’, whatever that means?
I suspect/believe it's "consultation" with the lessors etc, though I wouldn't be completely surprised if some UNITE think they should have a say in whether BA should continue to operate them....

Not great that the e-mail went out at just before 2200 UK time.....
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 07:26
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I think we have to be careful not to judge other people’s lifestyle choices and focus on the fact that nearly everybody lives up to their means. Most of my income goes on fast cars and fast women. The rest I just waste.
I think it is fair to say there will be many BA and non -BA staff that will suffer in the coming months and year as the redundancies wash through the economy. Unfortunately, unlike many of our EU partners, benefits are pitiful, the U.K. preferring a one size fits all basic safety net approach, rather than being able to draw on aid proportional to how much one has paid in. Let’s all try and have a bit more sympathy for our fellow citizens.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 08:16
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
probably because anyone who did; would sound like a pompous [email protected]
Pompous to some.
Realistic to others.

Whitemonk Returns has got it spot on in his most recent post.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 08:28
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Not great that the e-mail went out at just before 2200 UK time.....
BA seem to be experts at appalling timing. I worked for a BA owned subsidiary once, with BA managers. We were given drastic news (compulsory moves and for several of us demotion) the week before Christmas. "Contact your managers for more information" we were told. Could we contact those managers (all BA employees, who had the cushy safety net of going back to BA)? No, they were all on leave for Christmas.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 09:17
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When is it ever good timing ?

I think it will be back to the negotiating table for BALPA and the other Unions.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
How has nobody mentioned that spending 50% of your basic income on your mortgage payments is terrible financial planning!?
1988. Interest went up to about 15.5%. My mortgage interest alone went up to about 110% of my total income! That was fun.
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Old 17th Jul 2020, 11:47
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Remember it well but mention double digit interest rates to the youth of today and you tend to get a "that can't happen", and TBF I suspect the politicians in the UK would somehow have to make sure it did not happen..for obvious reasons.

Anyhow, back to the timing of BA's e-mail..rumour has it the Press had the plan yesterday evening and so BA had to get the e-mail out..
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