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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 13th Jun 2020, 06:11
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Originally Posted by guy_incognito View Post
Sadly, and I really hope Iím wrong, I donít see it having any effect whatsoever. The government has no power under current legislation to do anything to sanction BA/ IAG beyond writing strongly worded letters. WW knows that. Further, the government has no interest in bringing forward legislation that would change the situation. The general public donít and wonít care.
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I've had a few conversations that some of the general public (including some fairly high tier card holders) actually do care ... whether that "care" survives one minute of whatever back to flying seat sale BA offer is another matter.

There's no doubt the brand is taking another hammering and that is not down to the actions of the front line staff...


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Old 13th Jun 2020, 06:31
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Good point from Huw on the beeb this morning.

He asked WW to make any terms cuts temporary until market conditions improve and WW outright refused - making it clear that this is not about the pandemic.

Also he referenced the legacy fares for LCC wages (and service particularly in Europe these days). How sustainable will that be at legacy fares.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 06:44
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Originally Posted by Oh gaim View Post
Also he referenced the legacy fares for LCC wages (and service particularly in Europe these days). How sustainable will that be at legacy fares.
Depends what you mean by legacy fares...I think some feel anything more than a tenner is outrageous and if they pay more for the flight than for airport car parking they have been ripped off...

Not all BA fares are of a stratospheric,"legacy" nature, and OTOH I've certainly been stung by eye watering "legacy" style fares when travelling on a LCC....




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Old 13th Jun 2020, 06:53
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............and WW outright refused
Why should he worry, isn't he leaving in September with his £3.2 million retirement (package) plus his "Lifetime" rebate staff travel - which he removed from everyone else a few years ago ?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 09:32
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How long will he be around to use it? People with hearts of stone rarely feel any joy in their lives, his unlimited travel rebate will mean little to him and nor will the money. We may not have a fraction of the wealth he has but I'm willing to bet we are a lot happier than he and those like him are. There are things in life no business sense nor money can buy, he looks ill to be frank about things, his face is not that of a man I'd like to be, regardless of what my bank account would look like.

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Old 13th Jun 2020, 09:40
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Someone’s been watching too much Disney+.

But i I will say, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of WW where he’s genuinely smiling.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 10:27
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They were then also quite happy to sit back and potentially benefit from a "me too" clause whilst the pilots continued to stick their necks out..

Anyhow next we have to wait and see whether said campaign and the MPs comments' have any effect at all on BA.
*cough cough* bonus payments not available to other staff who weren't even aware of them before negotiations ended...*cough
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:27
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From the "worlds favourite airline" to a national disgrace. What a neat trick!
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:42
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Someoneís been watching too much Disney+.

But i I will say, I donít think Iíve ever seen a picture of WW where heís genuinely smiling.
The situation in my present airline could well be described as a Disney movie yes, all characters present!
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:51
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If WW uses BA in future and is sitting in the "nice seat area", it could be interesting to watch as he gets cabin service. Whoops sorry sir as gets drink spilled over him. To be honest it would be very brave of him to fly BA from now on.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Oh gaim View Post
Also he referenced the legacy fares for LCC wages (and service particularly in Europe these days). How sustainable will that be at legacy fares.

Well I have flown short haul a few times out of LGW with BA and the fares were quite comparable the the Low Cost Carriers - even Long Haul BA fares dont seem to be that much out of kilter with the competition so I dont think his argument there has much meat.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 13:16
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isn’t that the point being made ? BA has to compete with the LCCs on price but with legacy costs ?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:26
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Hmmmm

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0612/1147159-aer-lingus-recovery-plan/
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:43
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Interesting - it means that basically all staff at Aer Lingus are now on Zero Hours Contracts and that the contract changes are now permanent. Not sure the Unions in the UK would have gone along with that.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:56
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
isnít that the point being made ? BA has to compete with the LCCs on price but with legacy costs ?
It may be a moot point ATM but an observation - Pre COVID BA was managing to make more than 1 Billion profit per annum despite these "legacy" costs ( which in the Cabin Crew arena were reducing anyway as the percentage of Cabin Crew on "legacy" contracts reduced).
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 15:00
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Interesting - it means that basically all staff at Aer Lingus are now on Zero Hours Contracts and that the contract changes are now permanent. Not sure the Unions in the UK would have gone along with that.
Kind of puts a dent into the Unite and GMB argument that BA are the only airline that is taking any pain within the IAG group. I think their stance of not engaging with the company is crazy and will be seen as such in a few months time. Maybe they will start talking when I have a letter in my hand ! Unfortunately it will be a slightly harder negotiation then.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 16:19
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Sadly, negotiating doesn't seem to have done BALPA any good. In fact many would argue it's made things worse for pilots.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 17:42
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It doesn't affect BALPA at all, they will still have their jobs long after ours are gone.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 23:28
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But i I will say, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of WW where he’s genuinely smiling
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But as my father used to remark about the wealthy - " at least they can be miserable in comfort ".
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 00:36
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https://www-rte-ie.cdn.ampproject.or...e/amp/1147229/


The previous article posted here has been reneged on by RTE who seem to have realised their error, Aer Lingus have not reached agreement at all with the unions yet. Cabin crew are to be balloted and the pilots are still engaging in negotiations via IALPA who are adamant that any changes are to be temporary.
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