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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 24th May 2020, 19:39
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Originally Posted by fab777 View Post
AF is currently augmenting all long haul flight deck crews by one additional crew member, for safety reasons.
I think it makes a lot of sense to have at least three crew on flights at the moment. The airlines are currently over-crewed so it costs next to nothing, and the risk of incapacitation is higher with the virus knocking about. Also crews are less current, and have the anxiety of possible redundancy or catching the virus at work eroding their capacity. Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?
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Old 24th May 2020, 19:45
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?

Why?

Because sadly we live in an era of corporate greed. ‘Spare’ crew simply increase the wage bill and cost base.

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Old 24th May 2020, 20:00
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
When has AF ever been run as a proper commercial business ?
We are talking flight safety here, in a never seen before situation. Maybe it comes only second to cost cutting at your airline...
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Old 24th May 2020, 20:22
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Please can you enlighten on the flight safety issue ? I would not operate a flight if I thought there was any (whatsoever) compromise to safety.
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Old 25th May 2020, 03:51
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?
Originally Posted by Pumal1w View Post
Why?
Because sadly we live in an era of corporate greed. ‘Spare’ crew simply increase the wage bill and cost base.
I think GS-Alpha is trying to point out that for some airlines at least, it costs nothing extra to have a pilot actually commit aviation, because they are paying them for (many) more hours than the pilots are actually flying


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Old 25th May 2020, 07:28
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Maybe it’s just a sensible way of keeping within the 90 day currency rule.
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Old 25th May 2020, 08:00
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
Please can you enlighten on the flight safety issue ? I would not operate a flight if I thought there was any (whatsoever) compromise to safety.
I would also like enlightening. If it is a question of the equipment - aircraft can be grounded longer for D checks; yes there will be the odd defect, but if the aircraft has been maintained / stored per the manual I cannot see too much issue. I was sceptical of how Ryanair were managing their equipment by doing circuits every few days - I can now see the sense of currency and keeping the machine out of the storage programme.
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Old 25th May 2020, 13:33
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Fact Check

“On 15th June, I will be made redundant from my job after 23 years of loyal service. Redundancy notices are to be issued to 43,000 of my colleagues: the entire workforce. Yep, you heard right!

31,000 "lucky" former employees will then be offered re-employement on a far inferior contract that the company has wanted to enforce since 2010. For me, this would represent a 60% pay cut. Again, you heard right!

This is to be accompanied by an increase in productivity of 25%, not to mention far inferior T&Cs and, basically, a zero-hours contract.

All of this is with a backdrop of our CEO's bonus of £3.2 million in March this year; he’s been paid £33 million over the last 9 years. For the financial year '19/'20, the company I work for made a near record-breaking operating profit of £1.9 billion. I received no monetary bonus; not a penny.

The company I work for has the biggest cash reserves of any airline on this planet: £9 billion. During this "fight for survival", the company I work for is in the process of spending £1billion buying another airline”.
I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?
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Old 25th May 2020, 13:43
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" I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?"


I rather suspect it doesn't tell the full story. FWIW over the last 24 hours I've had several e-mails linking to Facebook etc which have led to a few of these posts..it's nice to suddenly be popular but even I have my limits..

The only difference between any of the posts has been the number of years "loyal service"...I've also seen exactly see the same post on at least one other social media site..

It looks like it's crafted to sound as if it has been written by the individual who has posted it but in reality all the messages seem to all have a common origin..UNITE or BASSA by any chance?
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Old 25th May 2020, 14:07
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BASSA/UNITE have a problem as only 40-50% of cabin crew numbers are members
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Old 25th May 2020, 14:39
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It’s sad for their members that it would appear they haven’t learnt any lessons but then Len loves a ‘good industrial dispute’. They could still salvage something perhaps but they need to talk and introduce just a little bit of realism. But this is the same union that refused to
operate legal flights in the snow when the pax (who they now claim they are all about) were stranded at the other end of the country.
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Old 25th May 2020, 15:02
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Originally Posted by 5711N0205W View Post
I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?
Yes, this is factually correct. I have been with the company for 30 years, and the new "Corona fleet" contract would mean a 65% pay cut for me. Combined with massive changes in t&c's.
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Old 25th May 2020, 15:56
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Like so much of the propoganda from UNITE it is not entirely factually correct.

It says that all BA employees are facing redundancy notices and being offered new contracts. That is correct for some departments. As an example the pilots, while facing difficult negotiations are not being threatened with redundancy and new contracts.

There was a letter sent to the various BA unions. Much of each letter was identical but the part threatening redundancy and re-employment on new contracts should negotiations fail was not universal.

UNITE's tactics are, as usual, blunt and ineffective. Without question BA is taking advantage of the crisis to achieve industrial aims but whatever your views negotiation is the way forward. UNITE's tactics are reminiscent of the disastrously conducted cabin crew strike in 2010.
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Old 25th May 2020, 16:17
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Yes, you are right. Sorry. Pilots and engineers are not included in the mass redundancy. Just cabin crew, contact centres, ground staff and head office (although there are probably a few people in there exempt from it)
Be interesting to see what happens around 13 June
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Old 25th May 2020, 16:34
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Originally Posted by Chijmes View Post
Yes, you are right. Sorry. Pilots and engineers are not included in the mass redundancy. Just cabin crew, contact centres, ground staff and head office (although there are probably a few people in there exempt from it)
Be interesting to see what happens around 13 June
Cardiff engineers are certainly included in mass redundancies and severe contract changes. As are global ops in waterside. I believe it is only flight crew who not affected. Through not fault of their own I must add! Flight crew are the only department not affected by furlough. This is why only BALPA are talking to management. 23,000 other staff were furloughed. They found out via the media that they were to be made redundant and possibly allowed to reapply for their jobs on lesser terms. The various reps were also furloughed. Unite meetings which have taken place with management have only achieved intransigence in the company starting point. They will not engage in negotiating their proposal.
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Old 25th May 2020, 16:43
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Originally Posted by Chijmes View Post
Yes, you are right. Sorry. Pilots and engineers are not included in the mass redundancy. Just cabin crew, contact centres, ground staff and head office (although there are probably a few people in there exempt from it)
Be interesting to see what happens around 13 June
LHR engineers are all under threat of redundancy with reduction in pay snd conditions for those who remain employed. BA was already having trouble recruiting suitably qualified engineers, after this they will have no hope.
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Old 25th May 2020, 18:25
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Originally Posted by greatwhitehunter View Post
LHR engineers are all under threat of redundancy with reduction in pay snd conditions for those who remain employed. BA was already having trouble recruiting suitably qualified engineers, after this they will have no hope.
I doubt that there will be any shortage of engineers looking for work, any work, for quite a time.
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Old 25th May 2020, 19:51
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Originally Posted by Chijmes View Post
Yes, this is factually correct. I have been with the company for 30 years, and the new "Corona fleet" contract would mean a 65% pay cut for me. Combined with massive changes in t&c's.
Out of interest, are you a WW cabin crew member Chijmes (as opposed to MF or LGW?), as that may explain the massive drop in pay and conditions? Very tough situation, sorry to hear.
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Old 25th May 2020, 20:33
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Just a start...9bn to LH - Gov stake

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I doubt that there will be any shortage of engineers looking for work, any work, for quite a time.

Just a start...9bn to LH - Gov stake
...more Govs to follow.
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Old 25th May 2020, 21:52
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Surely UK employment law would suggest redundancy and almost immediate rehiring in the same role (on a new contract) would not actually be redundancy? I would have thought this would have fallen under unfair dismissal realms.
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