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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 20th May 2020, 18:43
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Otherwise read all my previous messages under this topic. More or less the same concept.

I genuinely believe this is not Willie Walsh vs BA pilots, actually I should say the entire BA workforce. This is much much bigger, it is about the future of working conditions in the UK.
Do we want to end up like the USA or like Germany/Switzerland/Denmark/Sweden?
This is the question we need to ask ourselves.

Our kids deserve better than this toxic management style. Greed alone is leading us to an awful type of over-polarised society.
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Old 20th May 2020, 20:01
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“Major press support”? Sure it’s very critical of BA but main point is that airlines should be taxed more heavily (Indy counts lack of VAT on fuel as a subsidy) and that airlines should be taken into state ownership. Hmmm. Can anyone name a state-run airline that’s NOT a cash-haemorrhaging basket-case, even in good times, which these definitely aren’t?
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Old 23rd May 2020, 06:28
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Is there a case in these unprecedented times,crews out of practice,distractions etc for all Long Haul two person crew to be mandated to three person crew for a period of time.
Whatever happened to PIA yesterday,a contributing factor will have been Covid.
BALPA need to raise this as an issue for all UK Long Haul carriers.
If any carrier were to have an ‘Incident’ it could be terminal for them.
Stay Safe,Keep Alert.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 08:28
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Is there a case in these unprecedented times,crews out of practice,distractions etc for all Long Haul two person crew to be mandated to three person crew for a period of time.
Why would airlines increase their costs when they are currently faced with an unprecedented loss of income?

Whatever happened to PIA yesterday,a contributing factor will have been Covid.
What is that assumption based on?

BALPA need to raise this as an issue for all UK Long Haul carriers.
I am sure that will help.

If any carrier were to have an ‘Incident’ it could be terminal for them.
The current situation will be terminal for many of them without needing an 'incident' (sic).
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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:30
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Can anyone name a state-run airline that’s NOT a cash-haemorrhaging basket-case, even in good times, which these definitely aren’t?
EK springs to mind.
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Old 24th May 2020, 13:44
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
Why would airlines increase their costs when they are currently faced with an unprecedented loss of income?.
AF is currently augmenting all long haul flight deck crews by one additional crew member, for safety reasons.
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Old 24th May 2020, 18:22
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When has AF (or EK) ever been run as a proper commercial business ?

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Old 24th May 2020, 18:39
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AF is currently augmenting all long haul flight deck crews by one additional crew member, for safety reasons.
I think it makes a lot of sense to have at least three crew on flights at the moment. The airlines are currently over-crewed so it costs next to nothing, and the risk of incapacitation is higher with the virus knocking about. Also crews are less current, and have the anxiety of possible redundancy or catching the virus at work eroding their capacity. Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?
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Old 24th May 2020, 18:45
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?

Why?

Because sadly we live in an era of corporate greed. ‘Spare’ crew simply increase the wage bill and cost base.

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Old 24th May 2020, 19:00
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
When has AF ever been run as a proper commercial business ?
We are talking flight safety here, in a never seen before situation. Maybe it comes only second to cost cutting at your airline...
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Old 24th May 2020, 19:22
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Please can you enlighten on the flight safety issue ? I would not operate a flight if I thought there was any (whatsoever) compromise to safety.
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Old 25th May 2020, 02:51
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
Why would you not utilise your spare crew to protect the safety of your customers at this time?
Originally Posted by Pumal1w View Post
Why?
Because sadly we live in an era of corporate greed. ‘Spare’ crew simply increase the wage bill and cost base.
I think GS-Alpha is trying to point out that for some airlines at least, it costs nothing extra to have a pilot actually commit aviation, because they are paying them for (many) more hours than the pilots are actually flying


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Old 25th May 2020, 06:28
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Maybe it’s just a sensible way of keeping within the 90 day currency rule.
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Old 25th May 2020, 07:00
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
Please can you enlighten on the flight safety issue ? I would not operate a flight if I thought there was any (whatsoever) compromise to safety.
I would also like enlightening. If it is a question of the equipment - aircraft can be grounded longer for D checks; yes there will be the odd defect, but if the aircraft has been maintained / stored per the manual I cannot see too much issue. I was sceptical of how Ryanair were managing their equipment by doing circuits every few days - I can now see the sense of currency and keeping the machine out of the storage programme.
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Old 25th May 2020, 12:33
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“On 15th June, I will be made redundant from my job after 23 years of loyal service. Redundancy notices are to be issued to 43,000 of my colleagues: the entire workforce. Yep, you heard right!

31,000 "lucky" former employees will then be offered re-employement on a far inferior contract that the company has wanted to enforce since 2010. For me, this would represent a 60% pay cut. Again, you heard right!

This is to be accompanied by an increase in productivity of 25%, not to mention far inferior T&Cs and, basically, a zero-hours contract.

All of this is with a backdrop of our CEO's bonus of £3.2 million in March this year; he’s been paid £33 million over the last 9 years. For the financial year '19/'20, the company I work for made a near record-breaking operating profit of £1.9 billion. I received no monetary bonus; not a penny.

The company I work for has the biggest cash reserves of any airline on this planet: £9 billion. During this "fight for survival", the company I work for is in the process of spending £1billion buying another airline”.
I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?
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Old 25th May 2020, 12:43
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" I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?"


I rather suspect it doesn't tell the full story. FWIW over the last 24 hours I've had several e-mails linking to Facebook etc which have led to a few of these posts..it's nice to suddenly be popular but even I have my limits..

The only difference between any of the posts has been the number of years "loyal service"...I've also seen exactly see the same post on at least one other social media site..

It looks like it's crafted to sound as if it has been written by the individual who has posted it but in reality all the messages seem to all have a common origin..UNITE or BASSA by any chance?
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Old 25th May 2020, 13:02
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
" I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?"


I rather suspect it doesn't tell the full story. FWIW over the last 24 hours I've had several e-mails linking to Facebook etc which have led to a few of these posts..it's nice to suddenly be popular but even I have my limits..

The only difference between any of the posts has been the number of years "loyal service"...I've also seen exactly see the same post on at least one other social media site..

It looks like it's crafted to sound as if it has been written by the individual who has posted it but in reality all the messages seem to all have a common origin..UNITE or BASSA by any chance?
i receive the same. It's a great shame the other departments are being let down by union representation again. Rather than actually attend the negotiation meetings to come to a sensible resolution they resort to this. I think we saw the same sort of thing in the financial crisis. They were asked to come along to formulate a plan to cut costs or a new fleet would arrive. Instead it was a 'the answer is no, now what is the question?' A new fleet arrived and everyone suffered. As has been pointed out, Len is stuck in a 1970's shipyard and fatally doesn't realise the world is very different and they actually need to negotiate, not light up structures with anti BA slogans. In the world today the majority are concerned about their own jobs and family, not what BA are doing.
. As I say, I feel for our colleagues on this, they work hard and are a valuable asset and deserve the very best representation and negotiators.
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Old 25th May 2020, 13:07
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BASSA/UNITE have a problem as only 40-50% of cabin crew numbers are members
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Old 25th May 2020, 13:39
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It’s sad for their members that it would appear they haven’t learnt any lessons but then Len loves a ‘good industrial dispute’. They could still salvage something perhaps but they need to talk and introduce just a little bit of realism. But this is the same union that refused to
operate legal flights in the snow when the pax (who they now claim they are all about) were stranded at the other end of the country.
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Old 25th May 2020, 14:02
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Originally Posted by 5711N0205W View Post
I picked this up on LinkedIn, is this factually correct?
Yes, this is factually correct. I have been with the company for 30 years, and the new "Corona fleet" contract would mean a 65% pay cut for me. Combined with massive changes in t&c's.
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