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Wizz Air announces 1,000 redundancies as it cuts 19% of workforce

Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
Well there was a time they did not want Dutch, British or Italian, because as soon as they got better job offers they left, if you treat your employees like crap you get very little loyalty in return.
There was guys paying back their TR 1000 Euro a month for 18 months, living on crumbles, and than they still bonded you for another 18 months, despite you had paid them back 18.000 Euros, the TR cost them nothing, as was provided by Airbus as part of the aircraft purchases, and even if they had paid for it, it would not cost 36.000 Euros, but that's what they bonded you for over 3 years that time.

It went so far that they threaten to not release security reference letters to new employees if you left, which is not legal, as people were escaping as soon as they got half decent offers from other companies.
100% correct.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:31
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Reading all of the above, good riddance to Wizz Air.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
Well there was a time they did not want Dutch, British or Italian, because as soon as they got better job offers they left, if you treat your employees like crap you get very little loyalty in return.
There was guys paying back their TR 1000 Euro a month for 18 months, living on crumbles, and than they still bonded you for another 18 months, despite you had paid them back 18.000 Euros, the TR cost them nothing, as was provided by Airbus as part of the aircraft purchases, and even if they had paid for it, it would not cost 36.000 Euros, but that's what they bonded you for over 3 years that time.

It went so far that they threaten to not release security reference letters to new employees if you left, which is not legal, as people were escaping as soon as they got half decent offers from other companies.
Excuse me splitting hairs, but it's never free, it's just part of the deal. If they didn't have the type ratings included, then they can get a cheaper deal. Assuming 12 pilots per aircraft, even at 20k it would cost 240k. Airbus isn't a charity.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 13:19
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Not always true Dirk, there were massive CRM issues with two of the local Captains in Vilnius in my time there to the extent that virtually half of the FOs had complained and refused to fly with them. The base captain there at the time even emailed HQ in BUD to ask rostering for those people not to be paired together. One was even on a command blacklist from his previous airline due CRM and safety issues. The company couldnít get rid (at the time - I donít know whatís happened since) as they were struggling to recruit pilots.
One of those 2 Captain was fired almost one year ago for reasons unrelated to coronavirus, the other one is still in the company as we speak, and survived the axe now.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 13:27
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
One of them, the only one i know of, I met his ex girlfriend last summer, and he had just been fired a month earlier.
I asked her why, and she told me you know why, apparently he was exactly the same in their relationship as he was on the flight deck, a real miserable .........!
So it took them 6 years to get rid of the bald Mr CRM. To be fair, over all the years, none I have met have been anything close to how he was.

Curious you could PM who was the other.
I know that guy, and I would not take the word of the recent ex wife as the holy bible. I flew with him countless times, yes, he was not the easiest guy in the world at times but if you cannot adapt to these kind of personalities I would suggest you might struggle with a lot of other people.
People are such snowflakes these days, and trust me, you will find many particular personalities in this business, grow a pair and deal with it (not specifically addressed to anybody in particular here).
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 13:49
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
I know that guy, and I would not take the word of the recent ex wife as the holy bible. I flew with him countless times, yes, he was not the easiest guy in the world at times but if you cannot adapt to these kind of personalities I would suggest you might struggle with a lot of other people.
People are such snowflakes these days, and trust me, you will find many particular personalities in this business, grow a pair and deal with it (not specifically addressed to anybody in particular here).
Excuse me, the guy was breaking SOP's all the time, and I am not talking about small unimportant details, we talking about things that can make you creating a big black hole in the ground.
I don't need his ex to confirm what I saw with my own 2 eyes. Things like continuing below minimum on Cat 1 approach, that was one of many safety related incidents with him.
Grabbing the thrust lever into TOGA while still lining up on the runway.
Maybe the time you flew with him he had got so many warnings that he had mellowed, but before you I can promise you he was a danger for safety.

Every approach R.O.D of + 6000 ft/min if he could, he is supposed to be an airline pilot, providing a comfortable flight for all passengers, not a flight for his own ego to see how great he is.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:07
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I am assuming you filed ASRs for all this stuff, right? Because if you didn't you are no better than him, while if you did, knowing Wizzair safety department he would not have been in the company for as long as he did.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:20
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
I am assuming you filed ASRs for all this stuff, right? Because if you didn't you are no better than him, while if you did, knowing Wizzair safety department he would not have been in the company for as long as he did.
You seem to be pretty righteous and presumptuous. Get of your high horse, and don't assume I did nothing.

After that he had little meeting in BUD, only because he applied to become a trainer, which was turned down for obvious reasons.
He still stayed there for many years after.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:30
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I am assuming you filed ASRs for all this stuff, right? Because if you didn't you are no better than him, while if you did, knowing Wizzair safety department he would not have been in the company for as long as he did.
Hahaha. Wizz Air safety department is a joke and most people working there know it. It's just that you haven't been in bases, where the real cowboys are still flying after years in the company.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:46
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
You seem to be pretty righteous and presumptuous. Get of your high horse, and don't assume I did nothing.

After that he had little meeting in BUD, only because he applied to become a trainer, which was turned down for obvious reasons.
He still stayed there for many years after.
That's ironic, coming from the guy that just slandered someone on a public forum without that guy being able to defend himself, and judging by your reaction, you have no proof of what you are saying either because you filed no report.

Who's being presumptuous now?
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:51
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Originally Posted by brushcounsel View Post
Hahaha. Wizz Air safety department is a joke and most people working there know it. It's just that you haven't been in bases, where the real cowboys are still flying after years in the company.
Not my experience, and for the record, I have seen quite a few bases, including by the looks of it, some of those where all this cowboys were flying.
And once again, unless you filed multiple ASRs or brought these things to the attention of the CAA I would say you don't have any leg to stand on, and are actually exposing yourself to a lot of legal troubles, should Wizzair read this forum.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:11
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
That's ironic, coming from the guy that just slandered someone on a public forum without that guy being able to defend himself, and judging by your reaction, you have no proof of what you are saying either because you filed no report.

Who's being presumptuous now?
What makes you believe I did not file a report?

I actually wrote a 4 page A4 word document report which was fully supported by BC. All was sent through the right channels.

As I told he had a small meeting in Bud, and that was it.
Most others complaining, did not make a report.

I refused to fly with him after we did a Cat 1 approach, and he reported visual while we was not, and continued to fly for 2-3 seconds before we became visual.
That after spending the whole flight arguing about the amount of fuel, as he refused to take extra fuel for another Cat 2 airport.

I still have copy of the report and the weather report of that day. It was a big lesson early in my aviation career.

I also had the pleasure to see live the interaction with Rexbanner a few times, and I can say what he says is 100% correct.

I have not given his name, I am not lying, I am not talking about hearsay, these are facts based on personal experience. And it was well documented in multiple reports to the company.

However I did hear from others later that he did get slightly better, so maybe that's why you was lucky and met the improved version.

Management was aware of this even when we joined, as during a meeting after some time joining, FO's was asked if all was ok, and we all said yes, but... and he knew straight away without anyone mentioning the name who it was.

He had been blacklisted from Command in a previous company, that was common knowledge provided by BC.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:19
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:19
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Kudos to you then, most people never wrote any report, yet feel the need to complain publicly, which is not smart or coherent.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:27
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
And once again, unless you filed multiple ASRs or brought these things to the attention of the CAA I would say you don't have any leg to stand on, and are actually exposing yourself to a lot of legal troubles, should Wizzair read this forum.
I did file some ASRs. And I don't know about you, but in my book if you had to involve CAA in safety issue, the airline's safety department has long failed in their job. Not too worried about legal issues, it's all documented in their system.

You keep defending Wizzair, but isn't it funny - we don't read about such issues with any large European airlines here. Just Wizz.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:32
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Kudos to you then, most people never wrote any report, yet feel the need to complain publicly, which is not smart or coherent.
Well that was the problem, loads complaining but never making the report.
And I always told them to make a report, but I don't know how many did.

I do admit I did not want the guy to get fired, that was not something I took pleasure in thinking, and as I was very new in aviation it took a few "incidents" to build up, but it started to be to much, it was cumulative building up over months.
And seeing his name on your roster, you just dreaded every flight knowing that try to do your job in a professional way, and ignore the noise, but when it became real safety related I could not continue ignoring it anymore.

We all do mistakes, thats why we have CRM and SOP's, and as I said, besides him I never had any issues with anyone. I am guessing you were there later, and I did hear that he had improved, and I guess that was what I would have wanted. I was not looking to get him fired, but equally at the same time I am not looking to risk my life either.

The other guy on the contrary, I had a great relationship with, he did have some interesting stories if you managed to get him to talk, however the obstacle there was that he did not like to speak English that much. But he was a good guy, at least for my experience.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:35
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
I know that guy, and I would not take the word of the recent ex wife as the holy bible. I flew with him countless times, yes, he was not the easiest guy in the world at times but if you cannot adapt to these kind of personalities I would suggest you might struggle with a lot of other people.
People are such snowflakes these days, and trust me, you will find many particular personalities in this business, grow a pair and deal with it (not specifically addressed to anybody in particular here).
Sensible comment by someone who is probably dead on to fly with.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:39
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Rotten apples are everywhere, even in companies with better reputation on PPRuNe than Wizzair. Wizzair is one of the biggest employers in Europe and plenty of pilots on this forum have worked or work there, and notoriously people unhappy or with bad stories are more vocal than happy people.
Wizzair standard is higher than people make it here, and judging by the number of people hired by other companies such as easyJe, BA or similar training managers tend to agree.
Smaller companies, especially in eastern Europe, but not only, are in my experience far worse under many aspects.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 17:12
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You sound like the better knowing clown in the circus.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 20:41
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
if you refuse to work on days off when they call you up etc., than you get put on their blacklist
No you don't. For other things with your own bosses you might (no clue) but nothing like that in OCC at all. Dispatchers couldn't care less, they just move on to the next call.
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