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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:11
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https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-boe...7-max-mystery/

""During the booking process, Ryanair passengers wonít be informed that their flights will be on Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. The carrierís chief executive confirmed this news yesterday.""
What an arrogant s...t !!!! Think they have the right to know.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:36
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Why is this in Terms & Endearment?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:37
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The average Ryanair passenger from Manchester on his way to a stag party to the South of Spain won't even know what a 737 is in the first place.

No more than a year after the MAX returns to service the general public will have forgotten about it.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:30
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And you would like it where Shamrock. Regarding your comment Joe not all Ryanair pax are off to stag parties. The public have a right t know which aircraft type they are flying don`t you think?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:46
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For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
2: there is no way to assign a particular aircraft to a flight a few months in advance. What happens with AOGs, diversions etc etc.
Im sure other airlines will do the same, of realize that last minute changes forces them to use a MAX instead of a NG
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:46
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To be fair, how to guarantee on a mixed 737 fleet which type will be allocated on the day of operations. Fair enough I say
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 14:13
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Possibly yes but its the attitude.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by ZAV View Post
Possibly yes but its the attitude.
Agreed. Consumers should have the right to know what they're purchasing. When I book a flight with Iberia or Lufthansa, they're both fairly reliable at providing the same A319/20/21 that was listed during the booking process. Same with KLM and 737/8/9s.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:23
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If you actually bothered to read the full quote you're putting your own interpretation on it.

“The reality is [if people want to know whether or not they are due to fly in a Max jet], the answer is that you won’t,” O’Leary told FlightGlobal in Brussels.
“Because we won’t know. We do our aircraft allocations on a nightly basis. You’re booking your ticket six, eight weeks in advance.”
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:41
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Lets face it if the boys and girls who are going to fly this thing don't get on it no passengers are going anywhere regardless of when you booked your ticket.

No pilots no fly.

Reality being however by the time they get this thing back in the air if will probably be the safest thing in the sky.............
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:45
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Originally Posted by sekmeth View Post
For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
Haven't the FAA already deemed it safe? How did that pan out?

Ryanair are not interested
if their pax know what the aircraft is, their sole interest is their wallets and how they can get their hands on the contents. O'Leary isn't going to change now, why should he, he makes loads of money out of his business.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:52
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Originally Posted by ZAV View Post
https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-boe...7-max-mystery/

""During the booking process, Ryanair passengers wonít be informed that their flights will be on Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. The carrierís chief executive confirmed this news yesterday.""
What an arrogant s...t !!!! Think they have the right to know.
Ryanair will not be operating the 737 - MAX. They will operate the 737 - 8200. OK .. different name, same aeroplane ... however ...
When re certified, it should be safer, or at least as safe, as the 737NG. Boeing and the FAA can't afford for it not to be.
You, and some parts of the media are trying to create a fatuous argument.
Nothing to see here ... move on.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:57
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Don't any airlines T&C when booking advise that no particular make or type of aircraft is guaranteed .... I'm sure it's in there somewhere. It's the company that decide the plane ... route, distance, load factors of SLF and real freight, availability and staffing to name a few conditions.

If you want to be sure of the type of plane you're going to fly in, pay up for a business jet.

(Even the old BEA printed timetables of the 1960s/1970s used to state EQV = Equipment Varies!!)
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 17:03
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Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 17:23
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question about type

I paxed back from a sim in Joburg on company 319 when a 87 year old lady asked the cabin crew if this was 737 max ??/
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 17:27
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Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
RYR's attitude is what it is. If you don't like it, buy a ticket with some other carrier.
Again ... this is a non event. If you allow RYR's style and culture to wind you up whenever they do something you don't agree with .. you will not be a happy person.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 18:29
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I paxed back from a sim in Joburg on company 319 when a 87 year old lady asked the cabin crew if this was 737 max ??/
Strange how the lady announced her age in the asking of her question..?!
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 19:27
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Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
You know what you are buying; you are buying a ticket for one of the safest airlines in the world to take you from one airport to another very uncomfortably.

If you are still unhappy about this then pay more and fly on another airline that has no 737s in its fleet.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 19:31
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The age could have been overheard in a different conversation, unless that was the only thing the lady in question said all flight.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by sekmeth View Post
For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
2: there is no way to assign a particular aircraft to a flight a few months in advance. What happens with AOGs, diversions etc etc.
Im sure other airlines will do the same, of realize that last minute changes forces them to use a MAX instead of a NG
Agreed. Iím no fan of Ryanairís service, but if the EUASA say itís good to go then itís good to go. Trillion dollar question is, will they?

My concern is that the MAX doesnít get to fly again, which would be bad news for Ryanair and its staff, and prices on other airlines will go up.
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