Jet2 Hold Pool
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From: London
It took a few weeks after the assessment day to get offered a course for my first choice of base. FYI non type rated FOs are being offered 75% contracts if they don’t have any previous Boeing or Airbus experience.
Joined: Mar 2010
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From: London
My input - as someone that lives just on the border of the 1:30 commute time allowable by the company but chooses to rent a bolthole nearby for consecutive days of flying. Some crew commute 1:30 each way every day. I don't believe this is feasible long term as the fatigue effects on the body are unsustainable in peak summer roster periods (in my opinion having attempted it previously!)
Peak summer: (late June/July/August/early September) I generally manage 60% of the nights in a month in my own bed by driving up to start the run of duties day 1, and driving home after landing the final day. [~15 days a month of flying not incl. standbys]
Spring/Autumn: 80% of nights in my own bed a month. [~8 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]
Winter: 95% of nights per month in my own bed [~3-5 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]
Hope that helps. A word of advice though is that the company has been keen to make sure that those that live on the cusp of/outside the commutable distance as per the contract have made arrangements to stay closer to the airport before a flying/standby duty. There have been instances this year of delays due to crew pushing the limits on the 60 mile / 90 minute rule.
Peak summer: (late June/July/August/early September) I generally manage 60% of the nights in a month in my own bed by driving up to start the run of duties day 1, and driving home after landing the final day. [~15 days a month of flying not incl. standbys]
Spring/Autumn: 80% of nights in my own bed a month. [~8 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]
Winter: 95% of nights per month in my own bed [~3-5 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]
Hope that helps. A word of advice though is that the company has been keen to make sure that those that live on the cusp of/outside the commutable distance as per the contract have made arrangements to stay closer to the airport before a flying/standby duty. There have been instances this year of delays due to crew pushing the limits on the 60 mile / 90 minute rule.
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From: Location, Location
So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there.
Last edited by Mr Good Cat; 31st October 2023 at 20:38.
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From: London
Maybe not, but it is perfectly legal to require a crew member to be no more than 90 minutes travel time to the airport for rest reasons. Ask the CAA.
So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better have not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there.
So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better have not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there.
Joined: Oct 2002
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From: Oxford
No doubt it is a legal requirement to be well rested for your duty. That judgement is on the crew member only. The 90 minutes is moot and not enforceable.What is the 90 mins based on? One could easily get stuck in traffic on a 60 minute journey which could then take 91 minutes - so what? You call fatigued because it’s “not legal”? Of course not. The CAA would say its based on the judgement of the crew member as it has always been and that’s why it is on the crew member to judge fatigue levels in a non punitive fashion.
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From: big green wheely bin
What you’re both missing is where is “work”? For jet2 it’s the crew room. So if you’re Manchester based and in staff south you can actually only live about 45 mins from the airport for the 90 mins to work.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence.
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From: Oxford
What you’re both missing is where is “work”? For jet2 it’s the crew room. So if you’re Manchester based and in staff south you can actually only live about 45 mins from the airport for the 90 mins to work.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence.
When you actually have to leave home to get to the crew room in order not to be late for your report, is a separate matter. Which obviously varies on report time, day of the week, road works, security queues etc etc etc
Not sure what you mean by "legally enforceable" but if your place of rest doesn't meet the contractual requirements (which you signed). Then you would be in breach of contract, which could lead to disciplinary actions.
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From: Utopia
Not sure what the 90 minutes is all about? My contract says, live within 60 miles or 75 mins of base. That’s a duty of care for fatigue purposes. Standby callout is 2 hours.
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From: Oxford
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From: UK
It's nothing to do with contracts, it's to comply with this FTL guidance material:
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base
TRAVELLING TIME
Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.
(My underlining)
Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable.
To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem.
I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time.
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base
TRAVELLING TIME
Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.
(My underlining)
Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable.
To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem.
I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time.
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Joined: Oct 2002
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From: Oxford
It's nothing to do with contracts, it's to comply with this FTL guidance material:
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base
TRAVELLING TIME
Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.
(My underlining)
Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable.
To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem.
I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time.
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base
TRAVELLING TIME
Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.
(My underlining)
Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable.
To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem.
I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time.
The reason it's stipulated in the employment contracts, is because of the fatigue management scheme, which is based on the guidance issued from EASA you quoted.
Anyway that's enough thread drift from me
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: England
EZY to J2
Has anyone here gone from EZY to J2 who can share their opinions for fellow colleagues weighing up options and life considerations for potential ship jumping, before they give up all hope entirely and just take up pig farming or become a local dog walking alcoholic.
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From: newbury
Id say go with pig farming over dog walking alco
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From: Utopia
Think it has been mentioned above. 2026 is the earliest date for the bus at STN unfortunately. EDI is set to receive 3 next year I believe. With the 4/5 hour sectors of our bread & butter Canaries/Turkey/Greek routes, the 321 will be a very welcome work environment going forward.
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From: the land of chocolate
I have an assessment coming up for DEC.
Where could I go to find out about the simulator profile?
Anything special for the interview day itself, group exercises or quizzes to be done?
What are the chances of a BRS basing?
Thanks in advance..
Where could I go to find out about the simulator profile?
Anything special for the interview day itself, group exercises or quizzes to be done?
What are the chances of a BRS basing?
Thanks in advance..
