Jet2 Hold Pool

[Atrus600]

Originally Posted by Moonraker4

Hey Atrus, I’ve tried to send you a DM in reply but it’s saying your inbox is full

nothing in my inbox so should be ok

[737 Jockey]

I believe Pprune has a restriction for receiving PM, whereby you need to have made a certain number of posts prior to being able to. Don’t know what that number is though.

[RSQ3Black340]

Hi All,
Considering a Jet2 TR A321 SFO Application.
Ive lots of hours total and experienced on the 320. I have my own reasons for considering a move from my current employer and aware of the view gain command first then apply DEC 321. I’m considering all the angles and lifestyle choices rather than money driven.
Is there a DE SFO process? Can anyone elude to the Recruitment Process and Command Upgrade Process? With the predicted Airbus fleet expansion, subject to meeting the Command Upgrade requirements, what would the likely time to command be? Appreciate can’t share official training manuals details on this forum but highlights would be useful to know.
I’m new to PPRUNE, and not sure if it’s possible to DM rather than make it public here?

Can anyone ACTUALLY in Jet2, and in the know provide any useful info?

Cheers

[737 Jockey]

With all the Airbus on order, and a potential shortage of U.K. licenced, experienced Airbus pilots willing to jump ship from EZY/BA, is there a good chance of moving from the 737 to the bus? Asking for a friend… 👀

[RARA9]

Originally Posted by RSQ3Black340

Hi All,
Considering a Jet2 TR A321 SFO Application.
Ive lots of hours total and experienced on the 320. I have my own reasons for considering a move from my current employer and aware of the view gain command first then apply DEC 321. I’m considering all the angles and lifestyle choices rather than money driven.
Is there a DE SFO process? Can anyone elude to the Recruitment Process and Command Upgrade Process? With the predicted Airbus fleet expansion, subject to meeting the Command Upgrade requirements, what would the likely time to command be? Appreciate can’t share official training manuals details on this forum but highlights would be useful to know.
I’m new to PPRUNE, and not sure if it’s possible to DM rather than make it public here?

Can anyone ACTUALLY in Jet2, and in the know provide any useful info?

Cheers

Jet2 is a meritocracy which isn’t popular to many , but I think it’s a good thing ! You don’t get 15year FOs (like in my previous company) that are useless.
The company rewards guys and girls that are good.
Although definitely still a bit of who you know …… which is improving

[pilotmike]

Originally Posted by 737 Jockey

I believe Pprune has a restriction for receiving PM, whereby you need to have made a certain number of posts prior to being able to. Don’t know what that number is though.

True; well… almost true.

The site seems to block the sending of PMs from new contributors with fewer than a certain number of posts (10 possibly?), rather than blocking the receiving of PMs.

However the site wrongly informs the sender that the recipient's InBox is full, instead of correctly informing the sender that they are blocked from sending PMs, which would be so much more helpful.

One of the many 'features' of PPRuNe.

[go-around flap 15]

Originally Posted by RARA9

Jet2 is a meritocracy which isn’t popular to many , but I think it’s a good thing ! You don’t get 15year FOs (like in my previous company) that are useless.
The company rewards guys and girls that are good.
Although definitely still a bit of who you know …… which is improving

Interesting, but would it not be more likely to have a 15 year FO that is useless in a meritocracy as they may have been passed over for command multiple times?

[RARA9]

Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns

Yes. I don't know what the other guy is on about.... We have plenty of useless FOs, but that seems to be an industry thing, it's impossible to sack people these days unless they literally break/kill something/someone

yes sorry that didn’t really make sense , I think I was trying to get at the fact of seniority scales . So you have a “senior FO” earning over 120k who is useless but is senior . That used to get at me

[go-around flap 15]

Originally Posted by RARA9

yes sorry that didn’t really make sense , I think I was trying to get at the fact of seniority scales . So you have a “senior FO” earning over 120k who is useless but is senior . That used to get at me

Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).

[Atrus600]

Recruitment adverts updated to only type rated candidates now for Boeing and Airbus

[737 Jockey]

Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the ‘quiet’ Winter season. TIA

[Oasis]

What are the current wait times from application to first contact?

[iggle piggle]

Originally Posted by 737 Jockey

Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the ‘quiet’ Winter season. TIA

Winter just gone was up to 3 months (usually 2-5 months) off on half pay, full pension, leave adjusted accordingly , not guaranteed and was restricted at some bases this year. There are other options but they never seem as appealing.

[Ascendo tuum]

Originally Posted by 737 Jockey

Could any current Jet2 pilots briefly outline the options available for part-time or unpaid leave etc. during the ‘quiet’ Winter season. TIA

But if you do want Winter options, or even permanent part-time working, temporary overseas base secondments (free holiday in the sun), Football / Rugby Charter night stops, contactable duties, and standby duties, then definitely don't become a Trainer with them.

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by go-around flap 15

Makes perfect sense, can imagine it being frustrating. Have also heard from a few mates in 'Big Airways' that being 'useless' isn't solely the preserve of RHS crew. Not to turn this into a seniority debate but when friends outside of the business ask why I can't join BA/Virgin/TUI etc as a Captain, despite having been one for years, they are a little confused. They're even more surprised when I go on to explain i'd join at the bottom of the payscales as a year 1 FO (save perhaps for VS as SFO).

that’s a shame I agree. It’s frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him you’re available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as you’ve “been a Captain for years”.
Let us all know how you get on.

[Flying Wild]

Originally Posted by 3Greens

that’s a shame I agree. It’s frankly hard to imagine how BA/TUI/Virgin have managed to survive with out you. Suggest writing to the DFO @big airways quoting your mates and tell him you’re available for immediate hire onto Pp24 LHS A350 as you’ve “been a Captain for years”.
Let us all know how you get on.

It’s this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, You’re ok, because you’re on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.

[RARA9]

Originally Posted by Flying Wild

It’s this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, You’re ok, because you’re on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.

that’s one of the reasons I left BA ! Guys like him stuck in a pipe dream and seniority bubble which HR absolutely love

[Alrosa]

Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend seniority, but there are pros and cons to everything. Having worked at two airlines without seniority - the downside was a system in which a significant element of the promotion process was being on good terms with the chief pilot, and being a yes man and not creating “issues” or being “awkward” (no guidance on what that might mean in practise!) This lead to less than ideal candidates being promoted.

In contrast, the current airline I work for has a very transparent command process which, yes, does of course partly depend on seniority, but has little to do with you being best mates with the chief pilot or head of training…

I think there’s pros and cons to both, and one makes one’s choices accordingly.

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by Flying Wild

It’s this kind of attitude to job/lifestyle protectionism that makes aviation rather unique in the world of commerce/business. For example, You’re ok, because you’re on PP24, so f*%k everyone else below you.
I’m not aware of any other industry where someone with commensurate experience would be required to start back at the bottom of the ladder. To an outsider it does seem rather strange. One might argue it also caps pay and conditions, as airlines know they have a relatively captive workforce. If DEC/DE(S)FO were commonplace, airlines would have to offer the right package to recruit/retain workforce. Doubt this will change in my lifetime though.

so why don’t pilots switch between companies that don’t have seniority? No seniority at Easy, Ryan or jet2 .

[Atrus600]

hold pool thread now seniority debate like most threads ha