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Brexit and Licensing Options

Old 22nd Aug 2018, 18:29
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Post Brexit and Licensing Options

So you are a UK citizen operating on your Shiny UK CAA issued licence but working for a European carrier whois telling you post Brexit you won't have a job! If the Politicians go no transport deal that is.
Said employer is encouraging us to switch out license to another EU country in order to continue working post March 2019.
Are other companies pursuing similar avenues?
Thoughts welcome.

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 20:42
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Said employer is encouraging us to switch out license to another EU country in order to continue working post March 2019.
Mine is doing the same and as soon as my duplicate has been released by those hijackers in Gatwick, I will do it in the blink of an eye!

The misfortune of having mine stolen (with my flight bag and some 100s euros worth of kit) has in somehow become a secondary problem when compared with the STUPIDITY of the e-Licensing system I have suggested to use to EXPEDITE the process. No need to mention the extortionate fees one need to pay vs. the eternity that it takes to have things done. Can't wait to be done and dusted with this lot.

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 21:07
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Would it not be wise to switch license just to be safe instead of pinning your hopes and dreams and employment (!!!) on politicians and other paper-pushers?

Really, what is the advantage of a UK-issued license over something that is issued from a different EU country?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
Would it not be wise to switch license just to be safe instead of pinning your hopes and dreams and employment (!!!) on politicians and other paper-pushers?

Really, what is the advantage of a UK-issued license over something that is issued from a different EU country?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 03:33
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
Really, what is the advantage of a UK-issued license over something that is issued from a different EU country?
If you are employed by a UK registered airline, you need a UK issued Part FCL. If not, then move .

After the europeans have moved "offshore" there should be plenty of jobs for us Brits with CAA paperwork!
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 08:31
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But are employment options limited by what country issued your license? Can a UK license holder not apply for and get a job with an EU airline? Similarly, can a Polish license holder not apply for and get a job with a UK airline? Then after getting the job, transfer the license over if needed.
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As of today, you are not limited. They are all the same EASA license, but UK operators state UK issued license or willing to convert.
It's perfectly fine to work in the UK with any license under EASA, but I stand to be corrected on this. Maybe there is a self-imposed restriction on this in the UK.
All of my flight school mates are working, one for a Romanian operator with his Italian license, another one in Slovenia, and I recently obtained a job in another country with my Polish issued license. And the same would be possible with a UK license.

Until March 2019 if they don't reach a deal.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:04
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Originally Posted by CARVE111 View Post
So you are a UK citizen operating on your Shiny UK CAA issued licence but working for a European carrier whois telling you post Brexit you won't have a job! If the Politicians go no transport deal that is.
Said employer is encouraging us to switch out license to another EU country in order to continue working post March 2019.
Are other companies pursuing similar avenues?
Thoughts welcome.

Dear moderators, if this is in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it.
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If (assuming you're a UK citizen) there is no deal then the lack of a licence won't be an issue as you simply won't be legal to work in any job in the EU27 licence or not...but that's OK cos you won't have any right to live there either. (unless you've sorted it separately.) So if you can sort your residency then yes you would be best to change your licence now and forget the UK ever existed.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:15
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Is there a restriction that says you have to have your Medical issued by a AME licenced in the same country as your EASA licence?
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Is there a restriction that says you have to have your Medical issued by a AME licenced in the same country as your EASA licence?
The state issuing your license must hold your medical records. You transfer these to convert your license with the State Of License Issue form and procedure.
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After the europeans have moved "offshore" there should be plenty of jobs for us Brits with CAA paperwork!
THAT was a good one, my belly hurts! How is your NHS doing now that you have 350 milions a week of cash to spare? One can't be serious...

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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
The state issuing your license must hold your medical records. You transfer these to convert your license with the State Of License Issue form and procedure.
There seem to be some limitations regarding to transfers from Germany as the German CAA (LBA) does not transfer medical data due to data protection concerns (and because the LBA does not have complete medical records as AME only transmit some basic fit/unfit data).
So once your license is in Germany it won't be that easy to move to another CAA.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Alpine Flyer View Post
There seem to be some limitations regarding to transfers from Germany as the German CAA (LBA) does not transfer medical data due to data protection concerns (and because the LBA does not have complete medical records as AME only transmit some basic fit/unfit data).
So once your license is in Germany it won't be that easy to move to another CAA.
Not if your ties with the LBA started after July 2016, but this is why easyJet and Ryanair state UK or German license.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
but UK operators state UK issued license or willing to convert.
For the life of me, I cannot imagine why someone could be offered a job only to turn it down because he/she is not willing to convert the license to a UK one. Anyone done this before?

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If (assuming you're a UK citizen) there is no deal then the lack of a licence won't be an issue as you simply won't be legal to work in any job in the EU27 licence or not...but that's OK cos you won't have any right to live there either. (unless you've sorted it separately.) So if you can sort your residency then yes you would be best to change your licence now and forget the UK ever existed.
That's a big issue you've mentioned there -- residency and right to work. I'm pretty sure this would be sorted out, deal or no deal. I cannot imagine the UK surviving if it suddenly made it illegal for non UK residents to work in the UK. The number of agency nursing staff alone who are not UK residents, doctors.... but I'm sure the paper-pushers will find a way to fk this up somehow, so I still expect to be surprised.

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THAT was a good one, my belly hurts! How is your NHS doing now that you have 350 milions a week of cash to spare? One can't be serious...
Have you not heard? We're getting a 1% pay rise!!
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Thanks for the input! I'm guessing you can afford to say no because you had other offers on the table that did not require you to convert your license? I would expect that if I were offered a job but I needed to spend £400, I'd gladly jump on the offer!! Besides, what is £400 when you're facing a massive bond for type rating?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
The state issuing your license must hold your medical records. You transfer these to convert your license with the State Of License Issue form and procedure.
Correct, and then for subsequent medicals your own local AME can carry out the medical, but they fill out and submit paperwork of the state of license issue, eg, UK CAA issued EASA ATPL, annual medical done in France by French AME, submits CAA paperwork to Gatwick.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 21:24
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If you are employed by a UK registered airline, you need a UK issued Part FCL
You don't.
The only reason that UK operators ask for a UK issued licence is that it complicates your LPC paperwork if they have to be familiar with the requirements of all the EASA authorities. And each authority could insist on sending someone to observe the check.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:33
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Originally Posted by fly4more View Post
How about BA insist that a pilot must be fluent in English to be able to work there?
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Given how fluent many of the Dutch, Scandinavians, Belgians, Irish, Americans, Canadians, Aussies, New Zealanders etc etc I work with or have worked with are I doubt a language gate would change much at BA....they are way above level 4.


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Grrr

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The CAA once prized itself on maintaining the highest of standards and maintaining them, now its hands are tied by europeanisation. We all know that an ATO in for example, Lithuania or Slovenia are a soft option route to a rating.
This is your opinion, not a fact.

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For some reason, the German Airlines (and others) are still able to insist a pilot has fluent German to be employed , but in the UK, a pilot only needs to meet a min of Level 4 in English. Germany, for example, do not test or insist on a minimum level 4 in German, were such a thing to exist.You must be "fluent". Therefore , the process is hugely biased.
Because a lot of Germans prefer to speak German rather than English. Same applies in France, Spain, Italy, etc...

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How about BA insist that a pilot must be fluent in English to be able to work there? Define fluent?
Non-UK pilots MUST learn another language (English) just to be able to STUDY anything aviation-related. If you really want to work in Germany you only have to learn German.
Anyway, do you really think BA is going to hire a level 4?

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EASA has created misrepresentation and decidedly non level playing field.
Airline requirements are not set by EASA.
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Originally Posted by fly4more View Post
We all know that an ATO in for example, Lithuania or Slovenia are a soft option route to a rating. And much cheaper than the UK.
What do you mean by "soft option"? Cheaper, maybe, but as cost of living and wages are different, then that could be the factor influencing training fees. However, aren't the ATPL questions standardized across EASA-land? Or are you saying the ATPL exams are easier in Lituania or Slovenia while the exams are more difficult in the UK?

For some reason, the German Airlines (and others) are still able to insist a pilot has fluent German to be employed
Do they not make PAs in both English and German? Making sure your employees can interact with your expected customers seems like a no-brainer to me. It may be biased, but as there is a reason for this requirement, it makes sense.
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