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Old 15th Oct 2017, 07:10
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Originally Posted by akindofmagic View Post
As much as I despise the behaviour of Ryanair, Iím not sure how sensible deliberately antagonising people is in this or any other industry.
And that, in a nutshell, sums up how Ryanair has been able to get away with its approach for years. While their management are ruthless, unqualified pikeys, pilots tend to be reasonable, professional and measured. Typically, most of us won't sink to their level and end up in denial at how we are being treated. The more proactive victims take their skills elsewhere.

I really hope very few are taken in by the so-called improved pay offer. It's all BS and will undoubtedly be clawed back if they ever solve their recruiting crisis.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 08:12
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Agreed. This Darren person might not always remain at Ryanair... It's not just a stepping stone for pilots I imagine. Doesn't matter how low you believe the chances to be, you will see that when you apply for a job at a place you really want to be at and you are qualified etc, you will get a friendly reply from someone named Darren telling you to sod off

I actually know a few cases like this, including one where someone who felt improperly treated by my old flight school ended up in HR for a major airline and pretty much any CV passing before his eyes that listed that specific flying school went straight into the bin.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 10:53
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Make no mistake, HR exists to protect the company from it's employees, not the other way around.

So considering how their HR have been operating,he might seem like a perfect candidate for a lot of companies.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 21:09
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I have a very simple belief that no one should lie in his or her career, as what goes around comes around. If this means I would run the risk to see the bin because of this gentleman who, together with his company, is lying through his teeth.... so be it
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 07:55
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Not quite sure what you are saying, GG. A lie in public is only exposed as such if it is challenged. If it is left alone, and allowed to be repeated, constantly, then it can morph into perceived truth. The effect is called propaganda, and is tried & tested.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 19:33
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Stansted pilots refused MOL offer and possible strike in Italy the 27th

https://skift.com/2017/10/16/some-of...medium=twitter
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 12:08
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From Skift publication:

Pilots are trying to form a companywide group, bypassing the existing structure which requires each of Ryanair’s 86 bases to negotiate deals separately.

So how can The Supreme Court turn a bind eye, with all the details out there, and still allow their judgement regarding 'collective bargaining' to stand? Why are they not asking themselves questions?

Chief People Officer Eddie Wilson last week wrote to pilots cautioning that the deal on offer, could be withdrawn in the event pilots don’t fall into line. “If pilots continue to be misled by the false promises of unions, then you will delay or miss out on these big pay increases next month,” he said.

RYR claims it bargains with its pilots directly. Bargaining includes negotiations. No-one has suggested the quoted offer is in direct response to any specific requests from the pilots. It does not seem to be an offer that applies to all bases. Therefore it does not appear to be a negotiation. It appears to be a deal/offer presented in a 'take it or leave it' dictatorial manner, and not very 'collective'.

Or am I misinterpreting something?
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 12:26
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Originally Posted by RAT 5 View Post
From Skift publication:

[I]... Or am I misinterpreting something?
I think you're on the numbers actually!
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 19:04
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Madrid base just refused the offer

Ryanair pilots at Madrid base reject offer of pay rises up to 22%. 80.88% to 19.12%
Well done Ryanair pilots! The divide and conquer days are over!
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 20:31
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Has any base signed ?
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 17:33
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Ryanair sends emails to former pilots 'begging' them to come back

It is just getting better and better everyday.

I say, first you give a fair contract for all the Ryanair pilots dealt throughout EERC, plus MOL himself must be on his knees begging hard.

Ryanair sends emails to former pilots 'begging' them to come back
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 18:16
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Unless the proffered carrot is a normal working contract, surely any flightcrew taking the thirty pieces of silver weakens the existing contractors position, and their own in the same turn?
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 20:47
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After reading the posts to date on this thread. I think people need to take a step back from what the company Ryanair is communicating and what Darren in HR is communicating on behalf of Ryanair.

Darren in HR in this case is only doing his job! Some individuals on this forum need to get over it. Recruiters in all industries message staff over LinkedIn not just the aviation industry. That is part and parcel of recruitment. If you don't like the message ignore it, don't reply to it, delete it etc.

I don't like the way Ryanair treat their staff anymore than anyone else but I think some of the comments on here are disrespectful towards the individual in HR who is just doing his job at the end of the day.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 20:29
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Haha spoken like a true management stooge/apologist! With your new joiners date it seems to me you are a wee bit sensitive now that the tables have been turned and your "Buddy" Darren is learning a valuable lesson in relation to how people ought to be treated.
It's a shame really when pretty much everyone in the frontline of this industry would prefer to keep watching MOL sweat and squirm, but if not, a putrid HR lackey who's merely "following zee orders" will do for now
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 18:57
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Well said.
Isn’t it so like a bully to squeal for mercy and understanding when they no longer have the whip hand?
The wounded sincerity would almost make you gag!

Did you lackies show mercy or understanding to that Ryanair Captain who almost crashed in his state of grief after his child’s death?
Not one bit!

Suck it up now.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 19:15
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Any of the Ryanair people remember Captain John Goss? My God, the vile management of the airline sure went after him when he tried to stand up for himself and other pilots.

I hope he's well and enjoying a well earned sense of schadenfreude regarding the vermin in Ryanair 'management'.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 17:49
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Rat5: Chief People Officer Eddie Wilson last week wrote to pilots cautioning that the deal on offer, could be withdrawn in the event pilots don’t fall into line. “If pilots continue to be misled by the false promises of unions, then you will delay or miss out on these big pay increases next month,” he said.
Having always enjoyed and benefited from the bargaining power, scope and legal protection of a union I find it inconceivable that any pilot group should still be marching piecemeal towards management's machine guns with promises of pay raises in exchange for compliance. Perhaps it's a default consequence of EU membership and the associated warped environment which allows divide and conquer to successfully prevail.

I've seen employee groups who flirted with and equivocated over union membership - those in maintenance and ground handling. When the going got tough, they were sent packing. As Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) once reportedly said ref strife from less than happy FAs: he was going to recu#t the airline. Wonder where he ended up?
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 20:34
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Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) Wonder where he ended up?

Probably better off than the Eastern Airlines pilots, who he made jobless when he bankrupted the airline in a fit of pique, with whom I flew with in Europe as they desperately sought work to pay their bills. They were very bitter, as well they should be. Sitting with them, surrounded by the Aussies, who had also been cast adrift from Ansett, it was like a Monty Python sketch; each trying to out-do the other with their stories of woe and management vicious screw-ups.

Yet other examples of airlines going under due to no fault of the employees, but managers'. Some day someone should write a history of airlines that have been driven to the wall by management. No more of the 'rough story of XYZ' or the 'rise from the ashes of ABC'. It should simply be 'the utter unnecessary demise of airlines XYZ and the destruction of 000's of livelihoods by incompetence & greed'.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 05:45
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Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) Wonder where he ended up?
Some day someone should write a history of airlines that have been driven to the wall by management. No more of the 'rough story of XYZ' or the 'rise from the ashes of ABC
There is an excellent history of the US deregulation, corporate swashbuckling, raiding, looting & subsequent airline failures written by Thomas Petzinger called Hard Landing, available on kindle & other formats for a modest price. Frank Lorenzo is the star of the show... Highly recommended.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 11:10
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They are at it again. Mark Duffy the keyboard hero this time.

”Thanks to all of the Norwegian pilots who have been in contact recently and we look forward to seeing you at an assessment soon, to those who are thinking of getting in touch I would encourage you to do so soon,we only have so many base slots available and when they are gone, they are gone, there could be a very real scenario where thousands of pilots enter the same job market in the coming months all wanting the same bases etc, as the only 737 operator who can offer you job security, a stable 5/4 roster, great pay and good choice of base I encourage you to get in first before you miss the boat. For high hours first officers promised a quick upgrade which is now looking unlikely, if you join us in time for winter season you could get an upgrade in 12 to 14 months. #analystsrarelygetitwrong“
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