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Old 12th Oct 2017, 17:35   #21 (permalink)
 
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Finally someone with some cojones/B...s is standing up. And it’s a female. Well done. Sad to see you are leaving, but who could blame you. Well done putting your name on it. I think you are the new hero of a lot of pilots. Goods speed in the future Ms C
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 18:14   #22 (permalink)
 
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Good luck to Capt C, I’m sure she will enjoy her £250k/yr tax free salary in China!

Good luck to MOL and Ryanair in their attempts to refuse speaking to the EERC!

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Old 12th Oct 2017, 18:20   #23 (permalink)
 
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MOL will never listen never negotiate. Only once did he listen and that was in 2008/2009 when his failed fuel hedging policy and failed attempt to take over aer lingus cost the shareholders nearly 1bn. They made him hand over the rest of the cash pile pretty quickly. Until shareholders see their investment stall be it by pilot action or market forces the same old one way diktats are all you will be seeing from MOL
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 18:38   #24 (permalink)
 
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Until shareholders see their investment stall be it by pilot action or market forces the same old one way diktats are all you will be seeing from MOL
Iím surprised more shareholders havenít seen the writing on the wall. They must be very naive or else very stupid. Ryanair canít recruit and retain enough pilots to cover their attrition of pilots, nevermind provide enough pilots for their expansion plans. Investment in Ryanair is based upon consistent expansion, that is never going to happen if they canít crew their aircraft! I expect the share price to crash eventually if they donít sort out their labour relations.
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 20:50   #25 (permalink)
 
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Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 "Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; who have eyes, and see not; who have ears, and hear not".

Indeed: "there are none so blind as those who will not see and none so deaf as those who do not hear & listen."

Ostriches used to be able to fly until someone sneaked up on them and clipped their wings. I wonder how they managed to do that?
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 21:15   #26 (permalink)
 
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Another bible verse; a fool is wiser in his own eyes than seven men reasoning sensibly. Although, cast not your pearls before swine!

Sermon over....
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 22:55   #27 (permalink)
 
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We should all apply and give them the run around asking for clarification of this and that, it'll have them running round like headless chickens before we all tell them to stick it.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 02:02   #28 (permalink)
 
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This so called "offer" is demeaning and ignorant act toward any employee. Productivity as they call it aka: "do whatever we want whenever we want it and oh it's prohibited for you to get sick"-pay is just a joke. When you deduct all the normal Ryanair bs from it it's again the same money as it used to be. They just don't get it.

Hope the EERC will succeed.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1577534/h...yanair-pilots/

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Old 13th Oct 2017, 02:42   #29 (permalink)
 
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I got the LinkedIn message from Mr Kinsella even though he wasn't a 1st connection in my network. I didn't reply and then followed up by blocking him!

They say everyone has their price, but nope, not always; I wouldn't work for that shower for a million a year, or any figure you could imagine, my health and happiness are far more important.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 08:30   #30 (permalink)
 
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They say everyone has their price, but nope, not always; I wouldn't work for that shower for a million a year, or any figure you could imagine, my health and happiness are far more important.
I probably would. A million a year or any figure I could imagine(let's say 5 millions, don't want to be greedy)?
Work a couple of years then retire and take care of my health.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 09:03   #31 (permalink)
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well we should thank RYR as we might all get a pay rise out of this ; ), i'm sure Paul might get the odd email
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 13:12   #32 (permalink)
 
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Who would've thought it, MOL being helpful to pilots!
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 17:09   #33 (permalink)
 
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I am interested in applying but I am afraid that first Ryanair will have to agree to pay me the following unavoidable and non refundable charges:

Filling an application form - 50
Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday)
Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge)
Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies)
Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

These charges will be levied at the nominal value in a currency of my choosing and which may change from charge to charge according to exchange rate fluctuations. I accept cash (additional cash handling surcharge applies), credit or debit cards (additional fat cat banking charges apply) or bank transfer (25 extra per transaction)

I reserve the right to withdraw my application at any point in the process however the charges will still be paid. All charges are non refundable.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 00:55   #34 (permalink)
 
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I am interested in applying but I am afraid that first Ryanair will have to agree to pay me the following unavoidable and non refundable charges:

Filling an application form - 50
Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday)
Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge)
Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies)
Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

These charges will be levied at the nominal value in a currency of my choosing and which may change from charge to charge according to exchange rate fluctuations. I accept cash (additional cash handling surcharge applies), credit or debit cards (additional fat cat banking charges apply) or bank transfer (25 extra per transaction)

I reserve the right to withdraw my application at any point in the process however the charges will still be paid. All charges are non refundable.

Not bad for a start but how about showing MOL you have taken a leaf from his book:

Filling an application form - 50; a surcharge of 25 is payable if you want to actually be able to READ my handwriting.

Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday); an additional 200 is payable if you actually want my attention rather than just my physical presence...


Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge); if you actually want me to speak in a language you understand, then that's another 50.


Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies); if you actually want me to send the email to you and not just save it in my draft emails folder, that's another 50


Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

All documentation will be provided in white text on white A4 paper. Use of black ink will incur an additional charge of 0.10 per character
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 03:43   #35 (permalink)
 
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Yep I received this and meant a scoffing reply. Thanks for the reminder.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 17:59   #36 (permalink)
 
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Situation at Ryanair makes it to the Irish Parliament

https://youtu.be/N7h62vHoP34
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 22:31   #37 (permalink)
 
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My reply to the Linkedin message:

"Dear Darren Kinsella Pilot Recruitment Specialist at Ryanair

Apparently you have not been such a "specialist" as if you were you would know that besides the salary difference calculations you showed being wrong the biggest difference is that at one of the other two quoted airlines where I am currently active at least staff are treated like human beings.

By the time you have proper contracts, staff representations instead of this fake management pilots forum, sick leave without financial impacts and pay for time worked and not rostered please do come back.

Now in the spirit of the words of your esteemed CEO: you lying cheating you are getting what you deserve! "

Mmm... think that my changes to be hired by Darren might have fallen a bit...
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 23:50   #38 (permalink)
 
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LOL I like that
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 23:55   #39 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, only slf, but your reply is priceless.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 00:21   #40 (permalink)
 
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As much as I despise the behaviour of Ryanair, I’m not sure how sensible deliberately antagonising people is in this or any other industry.
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