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Ryanair Cancelling flights!

Old 22nd Sep 2017, 00:13
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Funnily enough, someone I know and don't like very much said last year that O'Leary should become the Taoiseach because "things would get done and would work properly". Same individual rubbished other airlines which he said were too expensive, I pointed out to much laughter that I'd rather fly with an airline which treats it's crew well. Funny how these things work out...

I think as has been pointed out, the cost of training itself is one of the things that keeps pilots from organising. Odds are, from the beginning a lot of folk see Ryanair as a stepping stone, get in, keep ones head down, do a few years and move on. With a load of debt and a lack of long-term commitment, it won't be easy to get everyone to put their head above the parapet though I hope the T&Cs are improved.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 00:28
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Ryanair flights cancelled

A bit of old news now, but many thousands of Ryanair flights have been cancelled, in the last week, due to Pilot shortages. Apparently pilots have been leaving Ryanair for other companies, and also there has been a 'mix up' with the pilot holidays.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary plans to make the pilots delay their holidays, and has offered a 10,000 Euro financial incentive to them, if they help ease the backlog. It is estimated that this situation will last for at least the next six weeks.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 00:46
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Under some pressure from the CAA -

Ryanair agrees to put passengers on other airlines' flights

To borrow and add to a phrase from Graham Taylor, do I think Mr O'Leary will not like that.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 01:49
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Wow, that's a development!!. I'd be really surprised if there weren't several threads already covering such a scenario.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 02:35
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 02:41
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Can anyone please tell me the fundamental difference between Ryanair and the other lc carriers the likes of Easyjet, Wizz, BlueAir just to name a few of the them?
I mean are the terms so different or poor at Ryanair versus the others?
Do forgive me for asking but not living in the EU and not being associated with any EU carriers we here don't get to hear or read much about the discontent about pilots at other airlines.
Just curious. ..
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 05:33
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In my company, that is one you mentioned, and not the best one, the salary is lower than in Ryanair after taxes, but, I do have a local contract with HP, sick leave, social security and taxes paid, and all the usual stuff. The only money I paid out of my pocket were 80 euros for the two hotel nights during the interview. That's it. When I go out of base for any reason the company is paying everything and arranges all you need. I have night crew car service any duty day. The company pays for medical and license renewal.
As far as I know in Ryanair you have to pay for the interview (I mean you have to pay Ryanair to interviewing you), you have to pay 30k upfront for your 737 type. You are self employed (like the plumber), so you fly you get money, you don't fly, for any reason, you get nothing. Out of base you need to find your own accomodation, you pay your recurrent sim, license, medical, transportation and uniform. You are self employed, aren't you ?
Here is not the best place, and I do not think we are in a better shape than Ryan, but, espacially as first officer, the deal is better than Ryan.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 05:48
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That seems unnecessarily mean.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 06:01
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RAFAT Other industries aren't like that but for some reason we are and O'Leary knows that.

I work in one of those industries, and the amount of bullying and harassment that goes on is unreal. Unfortunately very few speak up for fear of being chastised by the rest of the workforce.

The days of 'brotherhood' are long gone. Look after your own career - sod everyone else!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 06:26
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I really thought the old US model worked quite well for highly trained and skilled people. i.e. If one is still in the same job after two years, and below the age of 45, chances are you have already entered the spiral dive to obscurity. Of course if you have not upskilled in that time may it's time to change horses completely.
Old 22nd Sep 2017, 06:27
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italian stallion - there is one massive difference and that is the presence of unions. Ryanair actively prevent the presence of unions in their company and the others do not. We can get into a long discussion about how they achieve what is essentially illegal, but that is what they do. I work for easyJet and it is not perfect, but it is very good. All the contracts are visible and published - you know exactly what you get in each country. The other key difference is who runs it. Michael O'Leary is a hard-nosed, tough, aggressive individual who does not care whether his employees live or die - they are simply pawns in the game. Any pilot who does low cost in Europe knows how utterly exhausting it can be. Here is what Michael O'Leary has to say about pilot fatigue -


I would strongly suggest you would be hard put to find another airline boss who would say that. This is the Victorian mill owner translated into the airline industry of today.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 06:30
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O'Leary is claiming in the Irish times that pilots are overpaid for doing a simple automated job..

The pay scales quoted are Captains 150,000 to 180,000
FOs. 80,000 to 120,000

Are these correct or is he trying to turn the punters against the pilots by making them seem like overpaid madonnas?

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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 06:33
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It seems ironic that MOL and his gang are waiting in the wings so to speak and pick up the pieces of Alitalia if things go wrong. How the hell is he going to crew such a base given the present situation.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 07:04
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Well, if Alitalia breaks there will be 10.000 unemployed pilots right there. (I don't know the real number of pilots employed, but it is many). They will all be screaming for a job, and as many cannot get jobs with other airlines, MOL will be able to set the conditions as he likes.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 07:22
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Yes there have been some threads...but they seem to disappear into a dark downstairs cupboard of PPRuNe. Why would this be when Ryanair's crew shortage is by far the top aviation story there's been for some time?
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 07:23
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A quick search on wikipedia reveals that in 2014 Alitalia had just over 11,000 employees in total and currently has 98 aircraft. Therefore there isn't going to be even close to "10.000 unemployed pilots right there" so what is the point in spouting these kind of grossly inaccurate figures?
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 07:28
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I really don't think so, Italian are proud pilot, most of them will prefer to stay redundant instead of being employed by RYR
Furthermore, Alitalia doesn't operate 737, you should know that !
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 08:02
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There are currently 3 threads running on Ryanair. This in itself contradicts PPRuNe rules, but the mods have recognised that there are several separate issues involved and have, to their credit, made an exception in this particular case. I don't think we need any additional threads.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 08:23
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Simple question from a simpleton. Does Ryr have a board of directors? If so, what are they doing whilst the chief clown and his HR/Crewing lackeys steer the ship towards the rocks? And judging from noises from other airlines, the flying hours versus leave versus crew numbers is not only affecting Ryr!

Now where did I put that cruise ship brochure...........?
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 08:25
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Ryanair pilots should not expect any regulatory intervention. European oversight is a bureaucratic gravy train with some Excepted Airlines and Special Arrangements for those in charge.

The Guardian article mentioned several airlines offering Ryanair pilots better “employment”. Norwegian was not one of them, nor can it be.

Irrespective of free uniforms, it is a fact that directly employed Ryanair pilots leaving to be employed by OSM or Rishworth agencies and temporarily rented to a Norwegian airline, will have even fewer labor rights and labor principles than they do now. Other than Scandinavia, Norwegian pilots have neither union representation nor a collective agreement with the airline. From the ‘pot to the frying pan’ may never be more appropriate.

Pilots on Ryanair contracts have a legal right to organize and obtain trade union representation to the airline. Pilots on atypical contracts, such as Norwegian, have no such right. Rather than run away ALL Ryanair pilots at ALL bases should immediately and individually join the Irish Airline Pilots Association via the internet:


As membership increases IALPA can organize a representation vote - permitted without prejudice under ILO convention 98, to which Ireland is a signatory:


Such action will determine if Ryanair pilots wish to remain divided slaves or united masters of their destiny.

I’d write more, but more important than any megalomaniac collector of broken fridges and cookers, I’m watching KUWK and there’s a chance I may snatch a glance of Kendal Jenner’s hamster.
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