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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:17
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Is it possible for EASA to censure a national aviation authority, because this mess would not have happened if the state CAA had actually regulated the operation and complied with EASA rules?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:18
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More pressure for Oliary


We are cruising at 36,000ft and I hate these bastards even more than you do, announces Ryanair pilot
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:24
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
Is it possible for EASA to censure a national aviation authority, because this mess would not have happened if the state CAA had actually regulated the operation and complied with EASA rules?
GOOD QUESTION
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:49
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
Is it possible for EASA to censure a national aviation authority, because this mess would not have happened if the state CAA had actually regulated the operation and complied with EASA rules?
No.

EASA can audit a national authority and issue findings and require the NAA to shape up. However, EASA has no mandate to take any real action such as revoking an NAAs oversight and right to issue licenses or certificates. If EASA finds that an NAA is not complying with the regulations, EASA will report to the EU Commission whom together with the Council of ministers have the power to take any real action. Given the status of some NAAs in Europe that have been reported earlier, it's more likely that MOL will get on his knees and apologise for the past 20 years than the EU-C and Council taking any action.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:50
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my two cents

Originally Posted by Stone Cold II View Post
I also echo the support for the Ryr pilots. MOL is finally on the back foot. He sounds like he's going to be his usual arrogant self and play hard ball. Problem is the ball is very much in the pilots court. At the end of the day it's an airline, MOL can leave and it will still run as an airline, without the pilots and cabin crew, you have no airline.

Guys and gals your time has finally come where you can get what you've so richly deserved for all those year of poor treatment. Now is the time to stand up and be counted. Good luck.
If Ryanair pilots (and cabin crew) fail to seize the momentum, if there is a momentum at all, they might have to prepare for the backfire of their actions.

Imagine the psychological impact of a management victory over the first ever collective industrial action across all bases by pilots and cabin crew. Then it will be the last of any action by employees for years, decades to come. A lot at stake here.

Something else to think about: what if the management decides to single out individual pilots and cabin crew who have been identified as partaking in any form of industrial action action (work to rule, calling sick, reporting late, operate slow or inefficient, etc...) and fire them, tell them their services are no longer required ? Call them one by one, news will spread like a wildfire.

Will their colleagues be strong enough and stand foot ? Strike and demand fired colleagues to be rehired unconditionally ? Is there such a momentum ? Are pilots and cabin crew that much ready as a group ? If not, there is a very predictable outcome to all of this.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:53
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It's a pity that it's taken 15 years or so to finally stand up to this obnoxious bully. It's a pity that had a stand been made then, the decay in T&Cs led by Ryanair and Easyjet might just have been stemmed. BA's acquiescence to Walsh didn't help, either, more recently.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:18
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I think I speak for the entire industry, pilots and professionals alike when.....

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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:19
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While nearly 89% of the votes cast were in favour of its pay deal for directors, US pension funds Calstrs and Calpers voted against, while Calstrs also voted against the re-election of nearly the entire board, including O’Leary.

Their fellow shareholder NN Investment Partners said in a recent report that it had “growing concern about how the airline pays its staff and interacts with unions”.
The quote above is from the latest guardian article.

Someone people on here could be right about O'Leary. FR is no longer a start up or growing airline. O'Leary helped to revolutionise (hate it or love it) the airline sector in Europe, but the revolution is over and the revolutionaries are usualy the first causlities of the revolution. Ryanair is now a very profitable and established airline, it may need a more pragmatic and stable management to allow it to grow into the future. O'Leary has maybe overstayed his welcome. You could argue that O'Leary is a fundamentalist and an idealist, but usually those sort of personalities aren't the best people to run large established organisations.

Interesting to note from the above quote that some investors are genuinely concerned about the employment model.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:32
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I do think with the amount of heat on Ryanair and O'Leary, he has got to be feeling the pressure to keep his job. It's a shambolic mess and all the mud is being thrown. Whilst it would have been unimaginable that O'Leary would be leaving Ryanair anytime soon, the past 48 hours to me suggests there is a real possibility he could be pushed, especially if the crews hold firm by not going that extra mile. O'Leary can be replaced easily without any disruption, much harder with the crews.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:33
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Absolutely Maverick. It is time for Ryanair to grow up and live up to its position in the market. Time to say goodbye to MOL.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:45
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Throwing sickies isn't the way to do it. Start sticking to your (alleged) 45 min reporting times, don't allow yourselves to be rushed, question every single 'load sheet', blah blah blah. Make the company realise how much your good will has allowed them to fly so many sectors. In 70s Britain, we called this a work to rule.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:49
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Originally Posted by BusAirDriver View Post
If companies like Norwegian, easyJet and even Wizz play this game smart, they could put in the killer blow to Ryanair.
Killer blow to Ryanair? hahaha. You, sir, are deluded!
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 21:14
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Start sticking to your (alleged) 45 min reporting times, don't allow yourselves to be rushed, question every single 'load sheet', blah blah blah. Make the company realise how much your good will has allowed them to fly so many sectors. In 70s Britain, we called this a work to rule.
cgb, whilst I agree entirely with your sentiments the problem here are the "Martini" pilots (you know, any place, any time etc) who would not do this. Also because of the lack of union recognition individuals would be singled out for "special treatment" - fancy a base in Kaunus?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 21:31
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If there is a good chance of the plane making it to the other end in one piece, there will ALWAYS be folk who want the cheapest ticket going.

£40 for a ticket to Malaga? "Outrageous!" I don't want to pay more than £19.99 (plus £500 for a suitcase).

That is not going to change any time soon.

The only solution, as I see it, is for the sea ferry company's to seriously up their game and provide some quality alternatives.

Combine journey with duty free, and you can close all those expensive airports too. We don't want a third runway at Heathrow we need to be digging at least one of the runways up and building the houses the country so desperately needs for all the jobs created in the wave of new dock-building.

Win-win-win.

Goodnight.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 21:57
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Looks like there is no shortage of staff in the Ryanair PR department at least.

It's easy to see through all that fear mongering for what this really is, just an attempt trying to dissuade pilots from getting some very much needed changes that are long overdue.

Safe to say that there are many many behind you in this, best of luck!
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:08
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The time for the gutless FR pilots to strike is long overdue. (Many individuals are not gutless, of course, but as a group, the FR Pilot Group has no spine)

MOL is a foul-mouthed plebeian with greed running all the way through his shameless self. And he is supported indirectly by your tacit acceptance of his abuse and shaming of his pilot workforce. You his pilots.

Shame on you all. You could strike, you could work to rule, and instead you submit and meekly accept the terms and conditions laid down by this unpleasant SOB and his acquiescent managers.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:23
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Go on, stop pussyfooting and beating about the bush, tell us what you really think.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:58
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Originally Posted by macdo View Post
Think on these words that were written nearly 70 years ago, far more eloquent a reply to your unwise post than I could write.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"
This is sailing too close to Godwin's law.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:58
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I think its time for IALPA to openly defend and invite the ryr pilots to join their union. By Irish law one is allowed to seek representation by unions.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 00:23
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Although I take no pleasure in doing so, I have to agree that much of what hargreaves99 said is correct. We, as a collective pilot body, are pretty much useless at "standing together", individual circumstances and looking after oneself will always prevail. Other industries aren't like that but for some reason we are and O'Leary knows that.

Originally Posted by hargreaves99 View Post

In an ideal world all pilots would be treated well, with good Ts&Cs. Sadly, life isn't like that. Money rules everything.

Let's not forget LOTS of people want to be a pilot, for every RyanAir pilot there are probably 50 people with CPL/IR new who will take his/her job in a heartbeat, probably for less money. People WANT to be pilots, and they have spent £120,000 in order to qualify.

Collective industrial action? Not a chance, are you really going to put your neck/job on the line for another pilot who has been given the boot? Really? I have seen it happen before, there's lots of talk of "standing together" and it never works. Pilots are just not like that, especially when your £120,000 training debt is secured on your parents' house, or you are waiting for a command course, or you have bought a house near your home base, or your wife is pregnant again etc

This is a brief window of opportunity when pilots have the leverage, but it won't last long.

I predict this will get sorted out with some sort of solution cobbled together, customers/shareholders will be appeased, and the whole race to the bottom will continue.

Remember the business is cyclical, and at the moment there is a pilot shortage, this won't last, and when the sector is on the downward slope, people will be begging to work for RyanAir etc, because their parents' house/their house/their career will depend on it.
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