Norwegian Lack of Pilots
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Yeah I sure do! I never said BA were perfect simply that they don't struggle to get pilots and the reason for that is obvious when compared to Norwegian. My discontent with SOME aspects of life at BA are well documented on the other thread, this is not the place to repeat them. As I said before decent employers are not struggling to get staff, make of that what you will.
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From: Germany
Not involved in Shorthaul but right now, Norwegian Longhaul is overflowing with applications, Recruitment is far from desperate to find pilots, in fact they can pick and choose who they invite or not, as it should be. Likewise, simply having the hours does not entitle you to a job on the 787, although some individuals feel that way because its Norwegian and then wonder why they get turned down.
Can we now therefore conclude, by your logic, for everyone on the platform here that Norwegian is a decent employer? And please spare me the agency straw man argument crap...
Can we now therefore conclude, by your logic, for everyone on the platform here that Norwegian is a decent employer? And please spare me the agency straw man argument crap...
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From: Right here
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Parkbremse,
Utter tosh.
They are also desperate on the B787.
Enough applications, but barely any from experienced pilots, let alone those with the official requirements.
Captain applications with Widebody glass cockpit experience: almost nothing, those who apply get the job.
Utter tosh.
They are also desperate on the B787.
Enough applications, but barely any from experienced pilots, let alone those with the official requirements.
Captain applications with Widebody glass cockpit experience: almost nothing, those who apply get the job.
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From: six micro tesla zone
I would hazard a guess that the reason they are 'short' on pilots is because they can't find enough people with the required enthusiastic, green type, charismatic personality to pass the BS selection processes.
It's seems it doesn't matter how well your sim goes if you can't demonstrate a time you delivered excellent customer service, in fact you might not even be offered a sim if you can't answer that question
. IMHO, recruitment and selection format is one thing Ryanair got right!
It's seems it doesn't matter how well your sim goes if you can't demonstrate a time you delivered excellent customer service, in fact you might not even be offered a sim if you can't answer that question
. IMHO, recruitment and selection format is one thing Ryanair got right!
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From: Kristiansand
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Supply and demand, t & c's slashed over the years, now if you want experienced crew a need to pay premium $ and also offer lifestyle working patterns by airlines, as those with experience also have a life outside of aviation. Aircraft on the ground with no crew are the only tool that awakens the bean counters or middle upper management having to account to owners/shareholders why their expensive aircraft are parked up.
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From: Sand free now
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It made me chuckle recently pre dawn when a very arrogant D8 TRI/TRE marched through the Crawley SIM coffee shop (with fledgling interviewees in tow) and ordered me (sipping my Late) to get a move on and join the group for the Interview. "Piss off" I said, I work for a real LCC.
hits the fan.
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From: London
It is, but then the ego of some TRI/TRE's can be astonishingly poor. Said chap shouldn't have just assumed Nightstop was there to attend interview. As you come down from the hallowed lofty heights, you can also meet others going up. Two ways to look at things. Just saying.
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From: FUBAR
Regretably, you are not far off the mark there. . . .
In respect of Norwegian, the "fairy-dust" has well & truly blown away, & the great unwashed have wakened up to the fact that embittered ex employees don't issue warnings here to be merely confrontational, but actually with the best of intentions to help their fellow pilots NOT to embroil themselves in a ship that is slowly losing its way (certainly in terms of being seen as a decent employer)
In respect of Norwegian, the "fairy-dust" has well & truly blown away, & the great unwashed have wakened up to the fact that embittered ex employees don't issue warnings here to be merely confrontational, but actually with the best of intentions to help their fellow pilots NOT to embroil themselves in a ship that is slowly losing its way (certainly in terms of being seen as a decent employer)
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From: France
Hello guys
Just asking, I know Norwegian is not the best, but could be better than my present position (dash 8 captain in Uk)
I found this online
We offer the opportunity for a permanent position.
Competitive terms & conditions.
Roster planned 1 month in advance. (5 Days On / 4 Days Off)
Diversified flying on a modern fleet.
ID tickets after 3 months.
Minimum of 12 days off per month.
Vacation: per Norwegian Law.
Sick Leave: per Norwegian Law.
Is that really true the 5days on 4 days off ? Does pilot fly max FTL like I heard ? (In my airline, I m limited to 750hr a year, but far less days off than 5 on 4 off ... More 5 on 3 off 5 on 2 off.
Thanks
Just asking, I know Norwegian is not the best, but could be better than my present position (dash 8 captain in Uk)
I found this online
We offer the opportunity for a permanent position.
Competitive terms & conditions.
Roster planned 1 month in advance. (5 Days On / 4 Days Off)
Diversified flying on a modern fleet.
ID tickets after 3 months.
Minimum of 12 days off per month.
Vacation: per Norwegian Law.
Sick Leave: per Norwegian Law.
Is that really true the 5days on 4 days off ? Does pilot fly max FTL like I heard ? (In my airline, I m limited to 750hr a year, but far less days off than 5 on 4 off ... More 5 on 3 off 5 on 2 off.
Thanks
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From: .
No 5-4 roster anywhere but in Scandinavia! Totally variable roster with 12 days off is all you'll be guaranteed and expect to work hard!
A 5-4-5-3 roster will be TRIALLED at LGW and FCO later in the year, but with no guarantees that this will become a permanent fixture.
The 5-4 roster is one thing the company would like to do away with ASAP and one of the reasons the Scandinavia based pilots went on strike. It's been made crystal clear again and again that 5-4 will not happen at the Euro bases!
A 5-4-5-3 roster will be TRIALLED at LGW and FCO later in the year, but with no guarantees that this will become a permanent fixture.
The 5-4 roster is one thing the company would like to do away with ASAP and one of the reasons the Scandinavia based pilots went on strike. It's been made crystal clear again and again that 5-4 will not happen at the Euro bases!
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From: Moon
The one thing, which makes the possible lack of competent pilots especially bad for Norwegian is the shear net debt of the company. The debt being over 2,3 billion. Almost equal to the turnover of the whole company last year. And when compared to the rival LCCs: Ryanair don't have any net debt and Easy have only around 200 million. As it was pointed lately in an article in the ecomics section, Norwegian can't afford large disruptions in their operations, like for instance strike actions etc., because they have around 400 million worth of loans to sort out in the current year alone. So I think it is definitely a case of all or nothing for Norwegian. They have to attract the pilots somehow or they can put sign on the door already and just give up. Especially because the whole business plan relies on expansion.
