And the Best A320 Contract in Europe is?
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From: Italy
Yeah, the waiting list to go to Italy as a Captain is extremely long in EZY. And before you can reach those SFO figures you need at least 4 years in the company (and still 6000 is on the optimistic side).
Forget about Venice too, the criterias to go there now are not seniority based anymore.
Forget about Venice too, the criterias to go there now are not seniority based anymore.
And not sure why you think 6000 is on the optimistic side. Basic pay for an SFO is 4900 net. Add all the daily allowances ( diaria ) and sectorpay to that and you'll easily make 6000. Maybe in some winter months it's slightly less but in the summer its over 6k. So on average: 6000 net per month. I know captains in other companies who fly for less.
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From: Italy
Nah it's not like that anymore, a lot has been improved since last year. But I can imagine it's hard to accept that a low cost airline offers one of the best A320 packages in Europe.
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From: Europe
Not as bad as many people would think. If you are willing to stick around until 3-4000hrs command plus LTC in the company (5% incr. on both basic and sector for every 1000hr in command) your figures could be matching those of EZY. Otherwise as a new captain expect around 5000EUR after tax on a local contract or 6k+ as a service provider. If you are non type rated expect a deduction of around 400EUR per month for 3 years...
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From: France
10, 11, 12 and sometimes even more hours, on a regular 5/2 roster.
Not 5/4, not 4/3, not 5/3, not even 4/2 : 5/2.
For a salary that will have much trouble to compete (especially at such a young age) and a job that will be boring like hell, at least for most people here.
So stop complaining, please. (if it is what your were doing)
I do however reckon the need to complain in order to not see these T&Cs worsen ! Just not here.
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From: LVLCHG
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From: Anywhere and nowhere
There are a few for sure. At least from the UK and Belgium.
And what's your point? The question is about the best contracts in Europe, not the UK. I'm pretty sure you cannot be hired at Lufthansa without speaking German, Alitalia without speaking Italian, Iberia without speaking Spanish,...
if you can speak French and have the right to live and work in Europe, you have the same chances as any other candidates. AF doesn't discriminate based on nationality.
And what's your point? The question is about the best contracts in Europe, not the UK. I'm pretty sure you cannot be hired at Lufthansa without speaking German, Alitalia without speaking Italian, Iberia without speaking Spanish,...
if you can speak French and have the right to live and work in Europe, you have the same chances as any other candidates. AF doesn't discriminate based on nationality.
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From: Middle England
There are a few for sure. At least from the UK and Belgium.
And what's your point? The question is about the best contracts in Europe, not the UK. I'm pretty sure you cannot be hired at Lufthansa without speaking German, Alitalia without speaking Italian, Iberia without speaking Spanish,...
if you can speak French and have the right to live and work in Europe, you have the same chances as any other candidates. AF doesn't discriminate based on nationality.
How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.
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From: More up than down.
What about commuting from West Europe? Anyone doing that with AL or is BA/VS a better option?
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From: Anywhere and nowhere
Who said anything about the UK? I didn't. I asked how many non French nationals are employed by AF as this was being suggested as being one of the best 320 jobs in Europe.
How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.
How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.
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From: UK
Bear in mind that EI is an Irish airline and is managed out of Dublin although we have a small flight crew base in Cork. You need to appreciate this fact if you intend on joining. Its entire thought process is essentially Dublin centric and its always been that way. Most foreigners that join tend to find that its just as easy to set up roots here in Ireland than it is to mess about stressing over your roster from month to month. Problem therein is the high costs of living. Before joining run the numbers through an online tax calculator and do a google search on cost of living in Dublin.
On the plus side - commuting can be free if you can make it work. You can JS in uniform anywhere on our network so long as the Captain gives approval.
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321LRs in a couple of years? ---- This Summer, in 2019
LH is about a 2 year wait and commuters tend to opt for West Coast US....LAX, SFO, SEA which are 3 day trips followed by 4 days off.
If you're senior enough you can go West on a Monday, back Wed midday, commute home and have Thurs - Sun at home.
Depending on check-in for next trip you may have to travel on Sunday to be in place to operate West on the Monday, most try and swap for a later check-in.
Yes..housing is expensive and tax is high, can't help you there but watch that space in UK shortly.
However, who else is offering the EI pilot pay-scale (PPJN is accurate) along with a DB final salary pension scheme with a 21% company contribution?
We don't have B747s.....so if you are set on flying them your choice is narrow and we haven't got 380s either, sorry nothing with more than 2 engines.
Nearly all recent departures have been pilots returning to their country of birth.
Some new joiners have come from BA to EI for the same reason.
Wide spectrum of new guys from the Desert, former residents of Iceland, 737 LCCs (blue & red) and regionals.
If anyone wants details pm me and I will attempt to get chapter & verse.
Best wishes to those looking for the home of their choice.