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And the Best A320 Contract in Europe is?

Old 21st May 2017, 23:04
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easySwiss deal is not that good as you need to consider the high living costs in Switzerland.
SFO salary is maybe trippel the salary you get at Migros at the supermarket employee in the 1st year.

People who are living at France or Germany are being highly taxed, and hardly no lifestyle for non-Swiss citizen living in the Swiss side. For sure most Swiss poeple will not welcome you as you always be a foreigner for them And btw it is NOT European, but an island on the continent
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Old 21st May 2017, 23:36
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Yeah, the waiting list to go to Italy as a Captain is extremely long in EZY. And before you can reach those SFO figures you need at least 4 years in the company (and still 6000 is on the optimistic side).
Forget about Venice too, the criterias to go there now are not seniority based anymore.
True, 4 years. So? In the years before that you're still on a good salary in Italy and also with a 5-4 roster. It is correct that the waiting list is long so if you really want to go to Italy you either delay your command or take command and commute or a combination of the two. Of course also depends on your private life whether thats based in Italy yes or no.

And not sure why you think 6000 is on the optimistic side. Basic pay for an SFO is 4900 net. Add all the daily allowances ( diaria ) and sectorpay to that and you'll easily make 6000. Maybe in some winter months it's slightly less but in the summer its over 6k. So on average: 6000 net per month. I know captains in other companies who fly for less.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 08:58
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Haha, if EZY's "work your ass off on regular 10/11 hour 4/5 sector days" is the best we can do in Europe, then we're in trouble.

What is the captain package at Aegeon then?
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Old 22nd May 2017, 11:03
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Hi,

I was offered 8000 net after swiss (huge question mark...?) taxes plus accommodation based in Athens or Cyprus from May until October.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 12:49
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And out of curiosity... what about WZZ?
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Old 22nd May 2017, 18:07
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Originally Posted by flyer4life View Post
Haha, if EZY's "work your ass off on regular 10/11 hour 4/5 sector days" is the best we can do in Europe, then we're in trouble.

What is the captain package at Aegeon then?
Nah it's not like that anymore, a lot has been improved since last year. But I can imagine it's hard to accept that a low cost airline offers one of the best A320 packages in Europe.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 19:14
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Originally Posted by alshep View Post

I would also add Aer Lingus, they look nice.
They'll be doing 321LR runs to NYC, BOS etc in a couple of years if that's people's thing.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 19:31
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Originally Posted by heberzub View Post
And out of curiosity... what about WZZ?
Not as bad as many people would think. If you are willing to stick around until 3-4000hrs command plus LTC in the company (5% incr. on both basic and sector for every 1000hr in command) your figures could be matching those of EZY. Otherwise as a new captain expect around 5000EUR after tax on a local contract or 6k+ as a service provider. If you are non type rated expect a deduction of around 400EUR per month for 3 years...
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Old 22nd May 2017, 21:41
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Originally Posted by flyer4life View Post
Haha, if EZY's "work your ass off on regular 10/11 hour 4/5 sector days" is the best we can do in Europe, then we're in trouble.

What is the captain package at Aegeon then?
And what does any manager or white collar worker in any private company does ?
10, 11, 12 and sometimes even more hours, on a regular 5/2 roster.
Not 5/4, not 4/3, not 5/3, not even 4/2 : 5/2.

For a salary that will have much trouble to compete (especially at such a young age) and a job that will be boring like hell, at least for most people here.

So stop complaining, please. (if it is what your were doing)

I do however reckon the need to complain in order to not see these T&Cs worsen ! Just not here.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 22:15
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Well said KayPam.
I don't work for any of the carriers mentioned but still in our outfit I'm working much less than I did in my previous career, 45 hour week was slacking 55 was pretty normal and 60 plus was not uncommon.
All my friends in the city regularly do 10-12 days and only 1 of them is on 100k+ but he is mid forties taken him 10 years to get there.
Most of them hate there jobs, except my doctor friend but I feel so sorry for him.
NHS A&E doc works 60hrs a week plus never had xmas or New Years off in 10 years and gets 70k a year for being spat at kicked punched and saving people's lives he is moving to ME though Brexit tipped him over the edge.
I would never go back to that commute, if you want to earn 100k plus most jobs are in a huge city which means either living there or commuting with everyone else. Go and stand at London Victoria during rush hour it's soul destroying.
Aviation has unsociable hours but I love going to work early in morning when every other sod is sleeping, love my job then go home not in rush hour.
Financially to get a good salary is much quicker in aviation. I would say only a few careers can match the salary you can earn in a short time, lawyer, investment banker, both of which require serious sacrifice.
T&Cs have gone down but for me this is one of the best jobs in the world
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 22:02
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Well there are many around but there is still one where you are treated like a human being, you are respected and work with friendly professional people........ plus a decent place to be, and on your day off you can get a suntan Any guesses??
up! What about 2019?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 07:04
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Air France. Probably THE best 320 contract in Europe...
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 08:09
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How many non French nationals are employed as pilots in Air France?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Air France. Probably THE best 320 contract in Europe...
any numbers? what about Aegean, bit surprised that was mentioned.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 09:14
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For FO’s it’s probably Aer Lingus. Still ‘legacy’ sort of, on 5/3 roster. 2/3 yrs to 330 with US East Coast in the pipeline for 321’s - if that’s your thing. Money and pension good.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 15:46
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Originally Posted by 763 jock View Post
How many non French nationals are employed as pilots in Air France?
There are a few for sure. At least from the UK and Belgium.
And what's your point? The question is about the best contracts in Europe, not the UK. I'm pretty sure you cannot be hired at Lufthansa without speaking German, Alitalia without speaking Italian, Iberia without speaking Spanish,...
if you can speak French and have the right to live and work in Europe, you have the same chances as any other candidates. AF doesn't discriminate based on nationality.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 18:04
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British nationals making the effort to learn fluently another language? Are you kidding?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post


There are a few for sure. At least from the UK and Belgium.
And what's your point? The question is about the best contracts in Europe, not the UK. I'm pretty sure you cannot be hired at Lufthansa without speaking German, Alitalia without speaking Italian, Iberia without speaking Spanish,...
if you can speak French and have the right to live and work in Europe, you have the same chances as any other candidates. AF doesn't discriminate based on nationality.
Who said anything about the UK? I didn't. I asked how many non French nationals are employed by AF as this was being suggested as being one of the best 320 jobs in Europe.

How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Thad Jarvis View Post
For FO’s it’s probably Aer Lingus. Still ‘legacy’ sort of, on 5/3 roster. 2/3 yrs to 330 with US East Coast in the pipeline for 321’s - if that’s your thing. Money and pension good.
What about commuting from West Europe? Anyone doing that with AL or is BA/VS a better option?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 19:52
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Originally Posted by 763 jock View Post
Who said anything about the UK? I didn't. I asked how many non French nationals are employed by AF as this was being suggested as being one of the best 320 jobs in Europe.

How many non French nationals are employed as Captains in AF? It's a reasonable question. If you are worried about any sort of discrimination (I didn't bring that into the discussion either) then surely the figures can be used to disprove any such suggestion.
If it was a genuine question then I apologize. I thought you were implying that AF only hires French nationals, which is wrong.
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