And the Best A320 Contract in Europe is?
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The people from past 24 months’ bankruptcies hardly changed anything on the european market as there’s been more than enough expansion to hoover up the surplus. Plus you will always have some % heading to asia and ME.
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Expansion in terms of Eurowings and Wizzair salaries is not really a gigantic leap in the right direction. I understand that EZY (with good commuting options and part time) at Berlin has stopped / filled about 2 months ago, not sure about other bases. Thus for the SA fleet, if wanting to stay living home the best EU contract is probably Beijing Capital (leaving HNA Group soon) on 4/4 wks.
they paid my type and I start with 4300euro, plus around 400-500 per diem per month. Home every night and at least 10 days of per month. Parttime options available.
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Exactly how much do you think newbies should be getting paid? 4300 gross a month plus about 5000/yr in per diem is probably on par (if not more) with what BA pay their whitetail cadets?
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BA is not exactly setting the bar very high when talking about pilot salaries, let's be honest.
We are talking about the best contracts in Europe in this thread, and 4300 gross might be average in the f***ed up state the industry is in the old continent, but should not even enter the discussion when talking about the best conditions.
We could write pages on what each of us consider the minimum acceptable for this job, but considering the investment required, the amount of stress, fatigue, the continuous checking and training required, moving from one side of the world to the other, personally I would not be happy to accept anything less than 4000/4500 after taxes plus pension and benefits, and that's for a FO without that much experience. An FO with 10 years of experience or more should look for (much) more than that, obviously.
I am not saying one should refuse 4300 gross a month as first job, but settling on that kind of money, and considering that good and industry-leading conditions, that's another story, and probably one of the reasons things will not improve anytime soon.
We are talking about the best contracts in Europe in this thread, and 4300 gross might be average in the f***ed up state the industry is in the old continent, but should not even enter the discussion when talking about the best conditions.
We could write pages on what each of us consider the minimum acceptable for this job, but considering the investment required, the amount of stress, fatigue, the continuous checking and training required, moving from one side of the world to the other, personally I would not be happy to accept anything less than 4000/4500 after taxes plus pension and benefits, and that's for a FO without that much experience. An FO with 10 years of experience or more should look for (much) more than that, obviously.
I am not saying one should refuse 4300 gross a month as first job, but settling on that kind of money, and considering that good and industry-leading conditions, that's another story, and probably one of the reasons things will not improve anytime soon.
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Another reason being the ideology that just because you forked out £100k in training you’re suddenly entitled to certain T&C’s. Think it’s safe to say you enjoy exaggerating a bit. To be clear, they didn’t say that was a gross figure and certainly didn’t say it was the top possible earnings on the RHS in Eurowings. They actually said that’s what they ‘start’ on. My gut reaction was that it’s wasn’t too bad to start with and they were only defending Eurowings from an earlier comment. For some reason you’re assuming a lot in the glass half empty direction. Personally having flown for over 10 years of which 6 have been on the left I find the job easy. Ok sometimes it’s windy and icy on landing but planning properly tends to nullify the stress. Continuous training and checking? The handful of sims a year (which I find are beneficial to me more than my employer), a yearly medical and (for me now) a line check every other year is hardly demanding. Let’s be honest on a normal sector- what % of the job is stressing you out?
FWIW if I fly with a FO with 10 years experience now, alarm bells start to ring long before I worry about what they make.
I remember a time my ex was unemployed for a short spell and on the phone with someone regarding her unemployment benefit. When that person asked her how many hours her partner worked a week, she was told that I too could claim unemployment (or jobseekers) benefit. Wouldn’t have been wise to do so while also making a 6 figure salary but hopefully you get the point...
FWIW if I fly with a FO with 10 years experience now, alarm bells start to ring long before I worry about what they make.
I remember a time my ex was unemployed for a short spell and on the phone with someone regarding her unemployment benefit. When that person asked her how many hours her partner worked a week, she was told that I too could claim unemployment (or jobseekers) benefit. Wouldn’t have been wise to do so while also making a 6 figure salary but hopefully you get the point...
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A320 TR should not deduct more than 400 EUR/mth over a three-year apprentice period.
6 figures is 9k/month, we're getting not excited about half that.
BTW I was pulling a mickey, and sekmeth actually being ironic I suppose, since the word is that Laudamotion on a weak month does not hit 5k netto for PIC.
RYR is a good, middle-of-the-field benchmark looking at salaries/days off. Same EZY on the GER/IT/FR/UK contracts, market forces fully deployed. A peek at LEVEL Austria on PPJN, probably same as EW and WZ, reveals almost 2-3 k EUR net less than the leading LoCos for an average PIC. Hence my comments about absorbing / expansion happening on the lower ladders.
6 figures is 9k/month, we're getting not excited about half that.
BTW I was pulling a mickey, and sekmeth actually being ironic I suppose, since the word is that Laudamotion on a weak month does not hit 5k netto for PIC.
RYR is a good, middle-of-the-field benchmark looking at salaries/days off. Same EZY on the GER/IT/FR/UK contracts, market forces fully deployed. A peek at LEVEL Austria on PPJN, probably same as EW and WZ, reveals almost 2-3 k EUR net less than the leading LoCos for an average PIC. Hence my comments about absorbing / expansion happening on the lower ladders.
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Thank you, so with regards to random roster I take it that means no 5 on /4 off etc. Would you be able to tell me approximately how many days a month you would work and get off?
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Exactly, no fixed pattern. I work on a different contract, but in a random month you can have anything from 8 to 12 days off. Make it about 12/15 days flying plus the standbies.
No way you can commute on that roster long term.
No way you can commute on that roster long term.
