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Old 6th Jun 2019, 10:22
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Good to hear regarding the canx.

Regarding the future of SAIL -I think SAS would never drop, cancel or restrict any subcontractor just before the peak season. Meanwhile though, the SAS Main recruitment is being beefed up to enable the largest recruitment since 9/11. You do the math...
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 13:44
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As it is right now SAIL can not expand due to the newly resigned agreement limiting wetlease for SAS main production - SAS is currently at max wetlease. What happens after summer is anybody's guess. With COO Lars Sandahl gone and if SAS gets a new CEO after summer, then i think that will be an indication of SAIL to be no more...
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CAE looking now for FO.s for SAIL, seems like business as usual...
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 11:46
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""There is already a lawsuit against CAE in Spain for employing 26 out of 40 cabin crew without contract of employment...""

Anyone know what is happening here and does it affect the pilots?
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CC case still in the court.

From what I heard pilots had contracts with CAE from the begging, so at least they had a contract...
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 15:03
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Summer is gone and the only rumor is that they might stop doing overnights in Scandinavia.

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Old 8th Oct 2019, 17:52
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The beginning of the end...

If that is true, I hope we are seeing the beginning of the end of "that company".
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 21:48
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Not the whole story. Scandinavian night stops are increasing for the winter for AGP crew, as they did last winter. The fleet is redeployed as 3 are not required in AGP in the winter. Coupled with earlier deliveries now needing scheduled heavy maintenance means LHR crew will see a big drop in number of nights away.

Maybe they should chase some ACMI work during the quieter months.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 20:53
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So what happens to the monthly salary for LHR crew? Is it gonna be a big loss? This is what I don't like in this business. Mortgages normally don't take holiday winter time.
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Yeah I guess there will be a hit to flight pay and overnight allowances. Basic salary is fixed. I know some were getting fed up with constantly being away for their 5 day blocks. And others, specifically the commuters, would rather be away for 5 days otherwise they will have to pay for a LHR hotel during standby duties.

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SAS CEO apparently mentioned that they’re considering launching another airline, anyone heard anything about this?

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the rumour i heard was they will be winding up SAIL (well the A320 ops at least) and only wet leasing mid size regionals into the future. I personally think Nordica will be the front runner with cheap labour and a bunch of new efficient Emb E2 arriving.

unsubstantiated rumour I heard around the traps so I certainly don’t want to concern anyone unnecessarily
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:32
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I heard rumor about SAS Ireland expansion plans to be announced in the beginning of next year
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:38
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I actually believe this. Expansion in the shape of 20 Embraer or Sukhoi’s and loose the NEOs. All legal iaw. the K19 union agreement. Off to the sim again....
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Seems like there is no change in mainland union agreement about SAIL - 9 a/c and no news...

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can help me out with some updated info on SAIL?

How many hours on average were pilots flying in 2019? I have heard it's a more relaxed schedule compared to Easyjet!

Also, is the 5/4 contract now stable?

Is part time readily available for Captains or is there a long waiting list?

Any info much appreciated!
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 13:45
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I actually believe this. Expansion in the shape of 20 Embraer or Sukhoi’s and loose the NEOs. All legal iaw. the K19 union agreement. Off to the sim again....
I thought this was only to do with the mainline fleet and not the LHR based one?
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 21:07
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New "mid-size" aircraft to be put under some AOC which we know little about. SAIL seem to have come to stay. Wet lease going through the roof.
Mainline slowly vanishing.
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A friend at SAIL showed me an email sent to their crews. The "Future enhanced operating model" for SAS shows a new operation with a "single type fleet of mid-sized aircraft" which will focus on "Right sizing and fuel efficiency of thinner flows from Scandinavian bases" (direct quotes from the email). SK will continue to be the "backbone" of the operation, with a combination of SH and LH routes. SAIL will be the A320NEO, focusing on "highly competitive routes and new leisure markets". Wetlease operations are expected to continue with ATR and CRJ aircraft. The letter was dated 20 January 2020.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 17:19
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A well engineered operating model. They decommission the mid-sized aircraft and then go on and say we're lacking mid-sized aircraft. Let's see under which disguise new fleet will come.
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