Ryanair Details please

[samca]

Ryanair contract FO salary in Spain. Flying 65 hours around 3400 euros nets. Flying 90 hours 4300 Euros nets. That including allowance. So every 6 months you Pay your hotel and food in the sim plus AirPort parking, uniform, medical...
Tickets, White tickets 50% discount Ryanair flights for your parents, whife/husband and childrens + 6 Blue tickets per year that only Pay tax and you can give anyone.
Pension. No, but If you decide to put money in a pensión plan they match the quantity.
Licence Insurance no.
Tickets ID90 no
ZED no
Bonus no
Also there is an extrapayment of almost 10 Euros Gross per black hour for FOs that comply with the company requirements for the command upgrade BUT even If you comply with the requirements doesn't mean that you gonna recieve this money, some bases is a decition strictly of your Base Captain.
Hope this helps you to have a general picture.

Rgds

[5 RINGS]

Thank you some much Samca.

Any idea of Capt figures?

As for pension, when you say ryanair matches your contributions to a plan, is there any cap apllicable, or do they match whatever sum you decide to put in?

Can you confirm Irish contract as opposed to local i.e Spanish?

Thanks for your feedback.

[Vokes55]

With 1100 pilots leaving Ryanair in the last 12 months (including over 300 captains), why are people still considering this as a positive career move?

[zerotohero]

I belive for Captains its a maximum of £5000 match. You can elect to pay more but thats the most they will do. F/O's are likely lower.

Euro land not sure as thats UK contract.

[samca]

I think they match until 3000 Euros for FOs. I'm not completely sure. For captains they match 6000 euros

[zerotohero]

Thats nearly half what another UK operator gives you.

Ryanair is still a pretty poor package but the 5/4 is handy for all the guys who have no chance to ever live where they want to. Free jumpseating is the sweetener.

I think I might have been happier as a Manager of my local McDonalds but its a bit late in the day now.

[ROKVIATOR]

Zerotohero, That kind of affirmation makes me puke, I'd love being in your situation flying in a "good" cia.

[MaverickPrime]

Originally Posted by zerotohero

Thats nearly half what another UK operator gives you.

Ryanair is still a pretty poor package but the 5/4 is handy for all the guys who have no chance to ever live where they want to. Free jumpseating is the sweetener.

I think I might have been happier as a Manager of my local McDonalds but its a bit late in the day now.

Saying that it seems to have got better. Five years ago I heard it was £81k/yr gross for a UK Cpt. Although now it seems to be more like £100k/yr+ gross in the UK. Saying that, I'm an outsider looking in so feel free to correct me!

RE Spanish contracts. Are Ryanair contractors in Spain entitled to use Spanish social security? I.e. Can you use the local doctor, are you paying towards Spanish state pension? (it's pretty generous compared to UK). Sorry for all the specific questions. Just trying to build up a picture!

[samca]

The answer to If you can use doctor' from social Security in Spain is yes even If you are working with contractors, it doesn't matter becouse for "Hacienda" If you live more than 6 months Per Year in Spain you MUST do the "Declaración de la Renta" so you are paying spanish taxes every year and can use spanish social services.
Rgds

[Global_Global]

Are Ryanair contractors in Spain entitled to use Spanish social security?

YOU are entitled to anything that YOU sign up for and YOU pay for. Since all the down sides are to YOU and all the benefits to your contracted party called RYR....

In short YOU will be screwed at some point if YOU get a situation when YOU cannot work when YOU are sick or disabled or if YOU have not paid enough into your pension... As soon as that happens the contracting party RYR has no obligation to YOU...

So as long as YOU intend not to get sick or disabled it is fine....

[mponse]

The answer to If you can use doctor' from social Security in Spain is yes even If you are working with contractors, it doesn't matter becouse for "Hacienda" If you live more than 6 months Per Year in Spain you MUST do the "Declaración de la Renta" so you are paying spanish taxes every year and can use spanish social services.
Rgds

Samca, I think you're mixing "Hacienda" (Spanish Tax Office) with "Seguridad Social" (Spanish Social Security Office). They are two very different things. As you said, if you live more than 6 months in Spain you become automatically a tax resident, than means you have to pay taxes in Spain (to "Hacienda").

You will also have to pay Social Security and that is what gives you the Spanish social security benefits. In the case of a contractor ("autónomo"), those benefits are restricted because you can choose how much you want to pay (kind of). So unemployment benefits, sick leave, pension, etc. will depend on how much you pay every month to the "Seguridad Social".

[MaverickPrime]

Originally Posted by mponse

Samca, I think you're mixing "Hacienda" (Spanish Tax Office) with "Seguridad Social" (Spanish Social Security Office). They are two very different things. As you said, if you live more than 6 months in Spain you become automatically a tax resident, than means you have to pay taxes in Spain (to "Hacienda").

You will also have to pay Social Security and that is what gives you the Spanish social security benefits. In the case of a contractor ("autónomo"), those benefits are restricted because you can choose how much you want to pay (kind of). So unemployment benefits, sick leave, pension, etc. will depend on how much you pay every month to the "Seguridad Social".

Bit messy this Ryanair business!

Surely then, if your Spanish based, you pay your taxes and social security solely in Spain not Ireland? Would there not be some bi/multilateral EU tax agreement

I've seen first hand that the full social security contribution in Spain is high if you are self-employed!

Suppose a better question to ask would be - would a FO earn on average €3700net in Spain if they were fully paying all taxes and social security?

I suppose an even better question to ask - will they not just offer you a permanent contract....

[172_driver]

Surely then, if your Spanish based, you pay your taxes and social security solely in Spain not Ireland? Would there not be some bi/multilateral EU tax agreement

Don't be so sure, it seems Ireland is getting most of the dough anyway. Those pesky Irish accountants tax it at source before they pay it out to you. Then it's up to you to declare that in whatever country you're tax resident. Based on the bi-lateral tax agreement you may come out paying no more taxes. Still, the money went to the limericks and not to your kid's school education.

Note that I have no first hand experience with Spain, but this is how it works for many Brookfield/Storm contractors in other European countries. Probably same for Ryanair employees as those are Irish contracts too. I think only Italy has a variation to that where Italian tax is deducted for domestic flights. This was a few years ago and might have changed.

[ExDubai]

Originally Posted by 172_driver

Note that I have no first hand experience with Spain, but this is how it works for many Brookfield/Storm contractors in other European countries. Possibly Ryanair employees to.

Yepp, and that's the reason why certain german based pilots had some visitors in the early morning. Remember the last police raid? Isn't that long ago.....


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...d-germany.html

[samca]

I think that for the time being the Captains only can work with Mcginley and there will not be the option of Brookfield anymore. Probably any captain can confirm this fact.

[MaverickPrime]

There was a comment on this thread a few days ago stating the precise figures before and after tax for a UK based Captain on permanent contract. Its been deleted now, anyhow thanks for the info!!

Folks, thanks for the info on Spanish Social security etc, I think we have made the issue as clear as possible on a public forum.

I'd personally much rather work on a permanent employee contract. However, if you are making the choice to settle in a country for the longterm its good to know that your stamp is fully paid up for the future!

[tony the jesus]

Ryanair pension plan

I have a personal pension plan in my home country. Is it possible to use this pension plan to get the contribution from Ryanair or do you need to setup a new pension plan in Ireland in order to get the contribution from Ryanair?

Thanks.

tony

[FlyHigher]

I have been offered a position as DEC on a Portuguese base.
Anyone can share the average take home for a Captain based in Portugal on a Ryanair contract?
I was told that domestic sectors are taxed in Portugal and international ones in Ireland. So it can be a bit confusing.

Happy landings to all

[zerotohero]

Surely your contract will state how you are taxed and where.

O wait it's a mystery until your pay check arrives. Then you sit and wait for the tax investigation a few years later.

It's good there.

[RAT 5]

If you are an employee would the onus of the tax situation fall squarely on the employer. You are a PAYE employee. Surely if you are based in Portugal you would be subject to Portuguese charges & laws. Did not ez have this problem some years ago with Dortmund/Berlin & Paris. Did they not have local based crews on UK contracts, salaried in UK and taxed in UK? Did the Germans & French not disagree and the local judges ruled that locally based crews had to be salaried & taxed locally?
If that is the case then other employers can't keep trying to fudge it in another manner. The precedent is set.