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These guys seem to offer rapid upgrade . . . . 737 Command with around 2500hrs total time 
Crash: Tatarstan B735 at Kazan on Nov 17th 2013, crashed on go-around
"Be careful what you wish for " springs to mind.
Crash: Tatarstan B735 at Kazan on Nov 17th 2013, crashed on go-around
"Be careful what you wish for " springs to mind.
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Yeah, today you are looking for a company with fastest upgrade, and tomorrow you are in the back of an airplane, the weather looks rough and you are wondering how much total time the guys in front got together.
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I think a lot of guys expect a command at times. I was the same at 3000hrs. Admittedly due non controllable factors, now at 10000hrs about to change left seats.
Yes most can cope with straight and level in radar airspace its when things change that it gets a bit tasty.
An old flying instructor once told me, I rather be on the ground wanting to fly then being in the air and wanting to be on the ground.
Yes most can cope with straight and level in radar airspace its when things change that it gets a bit tasty.
An old flying instructor once told me, I rather be on the ground wanting to fly then being in the air and wanting to be on the ground.
It really depends on the individual and their experience. Surely at some point one can be forgiven for wanting to develop further, take on the challenges of command, advance one's career?
Is it so terrible? Maybe the OP is a late-comer to aviation and wants to maximise the return on their training investment. All around us we're being reduced to the lowest possible financial cost. Is it so bad someone has a motive other than the pure, unadulterated love of flying? After all, isn't that the line spouted by so many of the pay-to-play brigade? "I just love flying so much, I'd pay to do it!"
With 6,000 hours, they've probably got through a good number of checks... cut the guy some slack, or bite your tongue with the snide comments.
Is it so terrible? Maybe the OP is a late-comer to aviation and wants to maximise the return on their training investment. All around us we're being reduced to the lowest possible financial cost. Is it so bad someone has a motive other than the pure, unadulterated love of flying? After all, isn't that the line spouted by so many of the pay-to-play brigade? "I just love flying so much, I'd pay to do it!"
With 6,000 hours, they've probably got through a good number of checks... cut the guy some slack, or bite your tongue with the snide comments.
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Very well said, Journey Man. Me too, I had to change from legacy airline to low cost to have the chance to upgrade. This career is supposed to be lived from the left hand seat, the right hand position being only a transition, a time used to learn and to interiorize some profession's hard points. I am happy to have changed company. Guess what? my former colleagues are still in the right seat in that legacy airline, and most of them will never have a chance to upgrade. Between them there are some really nice guy, some of them have big flying experiences in many different areas: this is life.
It is normal to find other and better chances: it is not normal to expect anything due to the fact that someone has logged 6000 hours or more. In my opinion, 10000 hours flown as first officer do nor guarantee to be a good PIC. My advice is to change for a fast growing airline, going in the right seat, waiting for the moment and keeping in shape for that moment: would be a nonsense to fail the command upgrade just because you wanted a fast upgrade.
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It is normal to find other and better chances: it is not normal to expect anything due to the fact that someone has logged 6000 hours or more. In my opinion, 10000 hours flown as first officer do nor guarantee to be a good PIC. My advice is to change for a fast growing airline, going in the right seat, waiting for the moment and keeping in shape for that moment: would be a nonsense to fail the command upgrade just because you wanted a fast upgrade.
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Joe F. Quick question. How much more than you are you former Legacy airline Right hand seat colleagues being paid ??
Oh and how do their T's and C's compare to yours??
Just wondering
Oh and how do their T's and C's compare to yours??
Just wondering
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This is a real interesting and fully legitim question. I shall say that I moved very fast after the upgrade in the LCC to other better options. Actually I earn an average of 4 times (gross) the monthly income of my former mates. I have to deduct the equivalent for the social security and retirement scheme that I have to pay by myself, but anyway it ends up to around 3 times the average monthly income. I have less job stability, but at the end I feel safer because in my old airline people are starting to be made redundant, and while for a FO over 50 is quite a challenge to find another job, for a PIC experienced on a very common aircraft is not that difficult. I have a full health coverage that I can easily afford to pay. When I was in the legacy, the last contract was 30 annual days of leave with 10 monthly days off reduced to 8 in peak season; no more than 12 days of leave during summer season; base changed and I found myself commuting. Now I have a commuting contract, a good number of yearly leave days and enjoy my time with my family. The quality of life for my family has been greatly increased. In the last 7 years I have always earned more than my former mates.
Just one last point, but not the least: I enjoy my job, I like to fly, and I find a great satisfaction to fly as PIC.
Hope this can answer your questions.
Just one last point, but not the least: I enjoy my job, I like to fly, and I find a great satisfaction to fly as PIC.
Hope this can answer your questions.
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Hope DEFACTO is choking on his ill thought out piece of, er, advice (?) Maturity was one of the qualities looked for in my day for upgrades . Defacto, true to form, not displaying much quality. PINHEAD, good luck with your transition. Time due and I'm sure you are ready. I know lots of guys, like me too, who bailed out of legacy carriers for quicker Commands. We all succeeded, got much more pay, year after year after year than those happy to sit and wait. Once in the LHS of anything, you are now a Commander and after some useful hours build-up, you can market yourself as such. Nothing wrong with your strategy or vision. Good luck for 2016.
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Slowjet,
I am not chocking….but thanks for wishes….just that based on PIN HEAD name an dilates tech post questions, i would rather he waits another 10000 hours, because at 10000 hours of TT if he doesn't grip the basics of the aircraft he s flying,its worrying.
Pprune is a good tool to learn however some questions are more basics than others….
Examples of recent posts….i would think those would come from a new on type without any basic knowledge of his aircraft or of a non aviator/aircraft enthusiast.,,so pardon me my serious tongue in cheek when one says he has 10 000 hours (should be able to read manuals with ease and see what the f
is going on with the systems while he's "flying", and h says he s about to upgrade...
True,haven't bothered answering tech questions of such nature lately nor wishes of fast command to a PIN HEAD.
I am not chocking….but thanks for wishes….just that based on PIN HEAD name an dilates tech post questions, i would rather he waits another 10000 hours, because at 10000 hours of TT if he doesn't grip the basics of the aircraft he s flying,its worrying.
Pprune is a good tool to learn however some questions are more basics than others….
Examples of recent posts….i would think those would come from a new on type without any basic knowledge of his aircraft or of a non aviator/aircraft enthusiast.,,so pardon me my serious tongue in cheek when one says he has 10 000 hours (should be able to read manuals with ease and see what the f
is going on with the systems while he's "flying", and h says he s about to upgrade...
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If I am right, selecting CMD after departure at 401' will give you MCP SPD and also also will give you Climb thrust. To have possibly reduced thrust ok at such a low height? Climb gradients etc.
Apologies now if I am mixed up?
If I am right, selecting CMD after departure at 401' will give you MCP SPD and also also will give you Climb thrust. To have possibly reduced thrust ok at such a low height? Climb gradients etc.
Apologies now if I am mixed up?
Napd1 and napd2
Are these the two only recognised departures or is their a default third?
I thought the norm was always to fly an Napd2 unless you are at a noise sensitive airport and hence fly the other.
Kind regards
Pin
Are these the two only recognised departures or is their a default third?
I thought the norm was always to fly an Napd2 unless you are at a noise sensitive airport and hence fly the other.
Kind regards
Pin
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Can I ask please does anyone know what is the FMC logic for the Perf INiT wind and the RTE DATA winds on the wind forecast page.
Does the box use one for fuel and time estimate or vice versa. Do people regularly update the PERF INIT wind by every hour say by putting the current wind in. Why do this when you have the OFP wind in which is the basis for the fuel checks.
In my CDU preflight procedure I always put the forecast winds in on the RTE data but saw a colleague every 30 mins update the actual wind in the FMC!
Discuss
Hi
Can I ask please does anyone know what is the FMC logic for the Perf INiT wind and the RTE DATA winds on the wind forecast page.
Does the box use one for fuel and time estimate or vice versa. Do people regularly update the PERF INIT wind by every hour say by putting the current wind in. Why do this when you have the OFP wind in which is the basis for the fuel checks.
In my CDU preflight procedure I always put the forecast winds in on the RTE data but saw a colleague every 30 mins update the actual wind in the FMC!
Discuss
Defacto, true to form, not displaying much quality.
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Yep, and non of this maturity stuff either. Can he get from one side of the bar to the other without touching ground or spilling his beer? And will he buy his own round?
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DeFacto:
Just my opinion, but PinHead's questions seem more reasonable than the frankly creepy reposting of them.
If you believe your superior knowledge of FMC wind predictions or the subtleties of noise profiles is going to keep you out of the s**t, then I know who I'd rather be driving.
Back on topic:
From first RHS flight on a twinjet to first LHS flight: 2 years and 1400 hours.
Those days are long gone, of course. The upgrade process alone takes that long sometimes.
I probably couldn't have told you a whole lot more about noise b vs napd 2 beyond what was on the plates and in the manuals, but I didn't seem to crash much.
I guess what I'm saying is that it is at our peril that we examine knowledge, Total time, or years (because it's easily defined, and HR can get involved) instead of ability, aptitude and attitude.
Just my opinion, but PinHead's questions seem more reasonable than the frankly creepy reposting of them.
If you believe your superior knowledge of FMC wind predictions or the subtleties of noise profiles is going to keep you out of the s**t, then I know who I'd rather be driving.
Back on topic:
From first RHS flight on a twinjet to first LHS flight: 2 years and 1400 hours.
Those days are long gone, of course. The upgrade process alone takes that long sometimes.
I probably couldn't have told you a whole lot more about noise b vs napd 2 beyond what was on the plates and in the manuals, but I didn't seem to crash much.
I guess what I'm saying is that it is at our peril that we examine knowledge, Total time, or years (because it's easily defined, and HR can get involved) instead of ability, aptitude and attitude.
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It is amazing that some people here are questioning if it is legitimate that a 737 FO with 6,000 hours aspires to get a command as soon as possible?
How many hours should a guy have before his first command, according to you?
How many hours should a guy have before his first command, according to you?
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Sorry you out of touch, I know few guys who joined BA around 1 year ago, with TT around 3500 - 4000 hours, no command time from before, and are starting command this year. So you don't need to have command experience either.
Sorry you out of touch, I know few guys who joined BA around 1 year ago, with TT around 3500 - 4000 hours, no command time from before, and are starting command this year. So you don't need to have command experience either.
