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Norwegian - Last 36 pilots not needed during the winter.

Old 1st Jul 2015, 08:04
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Norwegian - Last 36 pilots not needed during the winter.

Yet again this winter Norwegian has more pilots than needed, and the best solution they came up is leave of absence during at least 6 months or choose to be out the company for the guys hired during 2015, most of them still during line training.

Last winter there was 60 pilots with forced reduced rosters (25 to 50% salary), plus this 36 new pilots hired during 2015.

Hoping for a good solution for everybody.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 08:53
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where did you get that information?
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 08:59
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The excuse was, if I recall it correctly that they had a surplus of crews due to a planning mistake last year.

Seems like the, mistake, has been repeated...
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 10:03
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Pilots who joined at the beginning of this year have indeed been told their services are no longer required for the entire winter season.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 10:10
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What form of contract are they on? Self-employed or hired by an agency? Do they have any form of salary during times of not flying?
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 10:41
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I don't want to start a mud fight, but these guys and girls should have known better. They were recruited with the full knowledge of what happened last year. Buyers beware, before you sign on the dotted line with one of the Norwegian employment agencies.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 10:52
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@lear partly true. However these guys claim they were given promises of a 2 year contract. They also claim they were never made aware they would be held in Scandinavia all summer and thereafter not get a base transfer into the euro area.

While the company can afford to throw millions at long haul they should be able to afford to carry a few pilots. The damage they have done to their reputation in the pilot community is very disappointing. I am aware some senior management pilots are very concerned that when they go to expand next year, the pile of CVs that NAS current hold will be fruitless. Experienced FO won't touch NAS until the command situation is sorted out and now inexperienced FO may feel they can't afford to invest in a type rating if they are going to be kicked out in the winter with no pay. It is not clear to those of us on the ground who is making these decisions!!!

It is also not a good idea in my opinion to be treating staff in this fashion while trying to get claim you should be allowed compete on the atlantic.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 12:57
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Lets be clear from the off this situation is a long long way from ideal and carries potential recruitment problems for next year.

Most airlines need less crew during the winter months and have various methods of dealing with it, Norwegians bigger problem is that they need a huge number of new pilots next year 300+ probably beyond the training capacity of the airline, the thinking seems to be with the NTR guys that will be laid off over the winter is that with under 500 hours they are unlikely to get taken on by anyone else? i think the number is close to 60 pilots that will be 'parked' from the end of October until the end of March, some joined on a summer only contract. I reckon that 25% of that number will clear off never to return, but the other 45 will be back in April thats the equivalent of 5 or 6 courses that don't have to be done over the winter, but that still leaves the thick end of 250 pilots to recruit and train, thats still 30 course to cram in, so I suspect that recruitment will begin in Sept just as these pilots are being parked.

Cruel world out there buyer beware
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 13:45
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Widebdy is right. After they said they wouldn't do this after last year to then turn around and do it again, well, just shows you what twits they are.

It's not the case as the previous poster said that these people should have known. Well no, they shouldn't because that's not what they were told when they joined.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 13:24
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Last year the pilots galvanised a lot of support from the pilot community in general and during the industrial action when they had the upper hand they rolled over and turned turtle, decisions based on empty promises, broken commitments and threats. This years new pilots went to this tampax operation with their eyes open and have paid the price for believing the serial killer smiles of the recruitment team and the management hype. I doubt very much the pilot community in general will give a rats ass about this now, as you say, they went in with their eyes closed! Nice early Christmas present, the company should think about their complete lack of morals and credibility when they sit down to the next management dinner or organise a hanger party for the chosen few..
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 17:09
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Where is the Written Contract?

OMG! Not again. Anyone sharp enough to drive a transport class airplane OUGHT to be sharp enough to read an employment contract. If the details are not to his/her liking, why do it? Take a walk and find far better options down the road. And of course... if it is not in writing, it simply ain't gonna happen. How many can reasonably expect to meet basic needs with sub-standard wages and working only half the year? With their reputation, I have to wonder how they manage to hire ANY pilots.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 20:41
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It's simple. They'll only stop doing it when we stop falling for it. But we won't, there is no "we" with pilots anymore than there is a "we" with people who enjoy cinema or like the colour blue. It'll never happen. Time spent hoping people stop signing up is time wasted. This isnt rail. There is no powerful ASLEF. If anyone actually believes the job has a standing chance of being a reasonable option for life in this day then they're living in the cuckoo land of a current - eventually to be time expired - working agreement.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 01:16
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This is not about being sharp enough to read a contract. From what I've heard these chaps were given a signed 2yr contract for LGW. First day on conversion, the friendly flightops mngr. pops in to inform that they changed their mind, and its now a 6 month contract, and instead of LGW its in Scandinavia. This is of course after quitting their old airline and relocating to the London area. Contract will now not be extended. They have all been tricked into being summer temps while covering own accomodation expenses in the most expensive place on earth. I hope no one will show up for next years summer scam, as this is becoming a tradition for tampax airlines.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 09:02
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Is this on the 737 fleet or the 787 fleet.
I hope its not the same guys that were made redundant from the 73 and moved the 78.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 09:11
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24 pilots with ARPI aviation contracts. No job, no salary, type rating debt remains...

At the same time OSM Aviation also sent out a friendly letter to some based in the UK and Spain, suggesting they take unpaid leave, or quit.

That's outrageous if it's true: no one is lying here.

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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 09:34
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Many many years ago , before i was a pilot, i was fired from my job. Just like that. It was painful, humiliating and embarassing. But i learnt my lesson.

Airlines have been recruiting hundreds of cadets, P2F and self sponsered 200 hour guys for quite a few years now. These pilots have not experienced redundancy, furlough, airline collapse overnight. The Y generation of wannabes dont read contracts . Why would you , life is so good and young inexperienced pilots are sought after everywhere. These guys have not suffered the pain . They have not learnt the hard way that in contracts , terms and conditions small print are as inportant as what shiney new type you may be flying next week.

As always buyer beware

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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 09:44
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I did ponder the "tampax airlines" thing for a second, but the livery gives a cue. I couldn't resist:
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 09:50
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Non of the pilots laid off are long haul pilots, this situation only effects short haul 737 pilots.

Long haul have never forced pilots onto forced vacation.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 11:04
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Some might say it's a used tampon. Others might say it's BK's nob after he's finished shafting all his pilots.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 11:55
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yup the photographer who took that picture was talented.
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