Vueling pilots forced voluntarily to Italy
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Wind check,
correct me if I am wrong. You must have worked in Spain, maybe Vueling maybe not, then tired of being treated like a "loco cpt" you moved away.. A big airline, most probably in the Middle East...
Now you can finally look from "above" all the others, like you felt being watched while you were in the Spanish carrier... come on stop acting like a little child!
VJW,
Compare your "loco cpt" salary with same rank locos.. doen't make sense compare it with first officers. Actually it doesn't make any sense to compare salaries unless you then wanna start a "who-have-it-bigger-competition" possibly staying on cm......
correct me if I am wrong. You must have worked in Spain, maybe Vueling maybe not, then tired of being treated like a "loco cpt" you moved away.. A big airline, most probably in the Middle East...
Now you can finally look from "above" all the others, like you felt being watched while you were in the Spanish carrier... come on stop acting like a little child!
VJW,
Compare your "loco cpt" salary with same rank locos.. doen't make sense compare it with first officers. Actually it doesn't make any sense to compare salaries unless you then wanna start a "who-have-it-bigger-competition" possibly staying on cm......
I was comparing length of time in an airline and salaries made thus far - end of. This is suppose to be about Vueling and there is always some idiot Iberia guy that comes on talking crap. Iberia have it so good, when there are FO's in the company that have worked there for +15 years making 4k net, with reducing T's & C's and less and less job security....and he wants to talk about vaseline and crew food?
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Windcheck,
I get the impression that you are just trying to piss off some people here. Your response is childish and disrespectful towards your colleagues. I actually have my doubts if you fly for a living. If you really do I would be sincerely worried because your attitude does not belong in a flight deck.
I get the impression that you are just trying to piss off some people here. Your response is childish and disrespectful towards your colleagues. I actually have my doubts if you fly for a living. If you really do I would be sincerely worried because your attitude does not belong in a flight deck.
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someone more clever than me said: "once the doors are closed it's exactely the same job".
Up there we all try to performe at the highest level possible (at least this is what I like to think) whether you're a BA IB AF LH FR VY or whatever pilot. Most of the loco guys have quite interesting backgrounds so I would actually be careful in stating that their level of professionalism is lower compared to collegues from other airlines.. Then of course we can find the typical id1ot everywhere including Iberia...
If we're talking about crew meals, hours flown, ID90 etc well then it's not a matter of skills anymore but just a way to piss people off pretending to have a bigger
which in my opinion is quite immature from someone who operates in such a dynamic and challenging enviroment.. If he actually does.........
Up there we all try to performe at the highest level possible (at least this is what I like to think) whether you're a BA IB AF LH FR VY or whatever pilot. Most of the loco guys have quite interesting backgrounds so I would actually be careful in stating that their level of professionalism is lower compared to collegues from other airlines.. Then of course we can find the typical id1ot everywhere including Iberia...
If we're talking about crew meals, hours flown, ID90 etc well then it's not a matter of skills anymore but just a way to piss people off pretending to have a bigger
which in my opinion is quite immature from someone who operates in such a dynamic and challenging enviroment.. If he actually does.........
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ECA, IFALPA
Apparently, the President of SEPLA has written a letter to all the union members of SEPLA,regarding the sanctioning of union members as a way of distracting what is going in Italy. Is this correct?
That the support is unanimous within SEPLA and that there is support from ECA and IFALPA, in this issue.
Why would Vueling management do such a thing ?
That the support is unanimous within SEPLA and that there is support from ECA and IFALPA, in this issue.
Why would Vueling management do such a thing ?
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The chief of the union has been sanctioned for merely doing his job a union leader. It appears to be fear mongering,etc
Looks like poor and inept management as the Vueling pilots are a hard working collective and poorly paid, who do not deserve such abuse of their union leaders.
Looks like poor and inept management as the Vueling pilots are a hard working collective and poorly paid, who do not deserve such abuse of their union leaders.
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Totally agreed, not too many jobs in aviation in Spain (well, not too many jobs in general ) & , if you give them a fingertip they bite off your arm . . . . SEPLA have the resolve to fight this, hope the Spanish courts remain impartial enough to apply the wholly adequate Spanish law to full effect (not that I would ever contemplate implying that anything else may be found to be "normal" for any () reason . . . .learned that lesson already 
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Vueling pilots forced voluntarily to Italy
Forced voluntarily is that not a contradiction ? ?
I would have thought there would be Italian pilots interested for these positions or is it a closed shop?
I would have thought there would be Italian pilots interested for these positions or is it a closed shop?
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Sure there were some Italians but with experience, so too expensive for a Cutre Airlines. So at the end they preferred a young Spanish guys and girls that are afraid to leave home.
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Neither me my family my friends their families the friends of my friends and their families and so on will ever put a feet on any LOCO ******* airline airplane at the control of which there are spineless individuals who paid their way through the system, never flew one hour alone on a plane and don't even have the balls to stand for their rights and get get what they deserve in return: peanuts . Just go flipping burger at McDonalds for what I'm concerned, you are a disgrace to aviation.
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Thats a great idea, but, employment in Spain ? not too good. Pilot employment in Spain ? not too good either.
Well, the Case is being fought, on behalf of the 2 Union Reps sacked (with a 3rd having some other form of sanction) lets hope the "Troops" rally behind them, and, more importantly/riskier that the Courts see fit to uphold the provisions already in place in Spanish law to protect against this medieval behaviour on the part of Vueling management.
Well, the Case is being fought, on behalf of the 2 Union Reps sacked (with a 3rd having some other form of sanction) lets hope the "Troops" rally behind them, and, more importantly/riskier that the Courts see fit to uphold the provisions already in place in Spanish law to protect against this medieval behaviour on the part of Vueling management.
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IAG shareholders
According to my colleague, and for IAG shareholders, Is it in their best interest to provoke SEPLA ? Forcing pilots to Rome, where the cost of living is higher ?
Why didn't the management hire more Italian pilots, instead of forcing Spanish nationals to Italy ? Intentionally or incompetence, costing the company more problems and money, not LOCO? Some of the pilotos came back to Europe after flying in Asia to be at home in Spain, now their conditions have been worsened due to the higher living costs for them in Rome.
It would have been a better for solution for this management to pay them as forced, and comply with the Collective Bargaining Agreement. No ? This is what my colleague, understands, is he right you think ? Is there a global strategy to degrade the conditions of pilots who are out there taking the responsibility day by day of a time pressure quick turnaround operation, is what my buddy is griping at. You see or do you think its alright that just sit back and watch the degradation of a profession. Didnīt they learn anything from the Hudson River A-320 incident ? Sit back relax, do nothing, and watch TV, you will see.
Why didn't the management hire more Italian pilots, instead of forcing Spanish nationals to Italy ? Intentionally or incompetence, costing the company more problems and money, not LOCO? Some of the pilotos came back to Europe after flying in Asia to be at home in Spain, now their conditions have been worsened due to the higher living costs for them in Rome.
It would have been a better for solution for this management to pay them as forced, and comply with the Collective Bargaining Agreement. No ? This is what my colleague, understands, is he right you think ? Is there a global strategy to degrade the conditions of pilots who are out there taking the responsibility day by day of a time pressure quick turnaround operation, is what my buddy is griping at. You see or do you think its alright that just sit back and watch the degradation of a profession. Didnīt they learn anything from the Hudson River A-320 incident ? Sit back relax, do nothing, and watch TV, you will see.
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Any news on this medieval airline? Is it true that there is a kind of vueling Italy and they do not have a written contract not following the Spanish one?
I was told what I was thinking to be a joke that vueling crews in Italy (by a vueling pilot) are mostly on contract and can't say no to anything... Even if they call you five hours after the standby is over....
What about the union leaders who got fired? No strike yet? Really?
I was told what I was thinking to be a joke that vueling crews in Italy (by a vueling pilot) are mostly on contract and can't say no to anything... Even if they call you five hours after the standby is over....
What about the union leaders who got fired? No strike yet? Really?
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Vueling decided to rehire the pilots previously fired for having copied the questionsire for command upgrade.
For the rest, it is still a mcdonald airline, pilots show full respect to their chief and directors, like a north korean does with Kim Jong Un.
For the rest, it is still a mcdonald airline, pilots show full respect to their chief and directors, like a north korean does with Kim Jong Un.
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Worker rights in spain are non-existent, specially those of pilots.
They can't strike because laws have been enacted that make all forms of strike illegal one way or the other, and union leaders are personally liable, so they can loose everything if they try to stand against the slavers.
Workers are totally defenseless against any aggression from the greedy managers. There is no escape. RYR and EZY are legacy airlines compared to Vueling and IBeria Express, when it comes to T&Cs. FOs in these companies make less that the cashiers in Carrefour. A pilot could work one month in the sandpit and spend three unpaid leave months in his spanish home and make the same money.
Bear in mind that in Europe Ryanair has been operating with fake contract pilots for over 15 years and nothing happens, except in France. Even with the precedent of France the rest of Europe is looking to the other side and allows the law to be cheated by the companies.
Europe nowadays is far far worse than the US on the subject of lobbyists and such. The experts made their research as requested by EASA and said more rest and less duty is the way to go in the new FLT regulations? No way! less rest and more duty, airlines say. Fvck the experts! This is the Europe we leave in. You can be shafted by all, but be protected by none. Air France-KLM WTF??? BA-IB? WTF????? The name of the game is irreversible operations, to suck the blood from everybody. How do you undo that, if it doesn't work anymore? I mean when it doesn't work anymore. Oh I wish Greece had the virtue of destroying the Euro, that huge irreversible mistake, and many of the impossible institutions of the EU.
It is not that we should go communists or anything, as it appears they will go in Spain soon, but some kind of resistance has to be opposed, and all of Europe is to blame for not doing so.
They can't strike because laws have been enacted that make all forms of strike illegal one way or the other, and union leaders are personally liable, so they can loose everything if they try to stand against the slavers.
Workers are totally defenseless against any aggression from the greedy managers. There is no escape. RYR and EZY are legacy airlines compared to Vueling and IBeria Express, when it comes to T&Cs. FOs in these companies make less that the cashiers in Carrefour. A pilot could work one month in the sandpit and spend three unpaid leave months in his spanish home and make the same money.
Bear in mind that in Europe Ryanair has been operating with fake contract pilots for over 15 years and nothing happens, except in France. Even with the precedent of France the rest of Europe is looking to the other side and allows the law to be cheated by the companies.
Europe nowadays is far far worse than the US on the subject of lobbyists and such. The experts made their research as requested by EASA and said more rest and less duty is the way to go in the new FLT regulations? No way! less rest and more duty, airlines say. Fvck the experts! This is the Europe we leave in. You can be shafted by all, but be protected by none. Air France-KLM WTF??? BA-IB? WTF????? The name of the game is irreversible operations, to suck the blood from everybody. How do you undo that, if it doesn't work anymore? I mean when it doesn't work anymore. Oh I wish Greece had the virtue of destroying the Euro, that huge irreversible mistake, and many of the impossible institutions of the EU.
It is not that we should go communists or anything, as it appears they will go in Spain soon, but some kind of resistance has to be opposed, and all of Europe is to blame for not doing so.
