Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?

Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?

Old 2nd Jun 2018, 10:52
  #441 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: I wish I knew
Posts: 610
According to fellow aviators ex THY, they hear THY have just given a 20% pay rise to cockpit crew...
Avenger is offline  
Old 4th Jun 2018, 07:45
  #442 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Al tube.
Posts: 430
Any 20% rise does not cut it against today’s £1=6.2TRY. This only accounts for inflation since March (£1=5.2TRY exchange rate in March 2018).
Alloy is offline  
Old 4th Jun 2018, 09:17
  #443 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: I wish I knew
Posts: 610
Maybe not... on the other hand, you may be viewing this as an Ex-PAT and THY really only care about "locals". The 20% seems to have kept the locals happy...they earn in Lira and spend in Lira..
Avenger is offline  
Old 4th Jun 2018, 15:23
  #444 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 922
Hhm.........

gearlever is offline  
Old 15th Aug 2018, 10:22
  #445 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 9
Everybody is looking to leave this place, do not come here unless you are really desperate for a job. You have been officially PPRuNe warned
PADRON737 is offline  
Old 16th Aug 2018, 03:29
  #446 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Gulf playing Golf
Posts: 1,141
You need at currency protection plan....or just be paid in stable currency
Payscale is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:52
  #447 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by charliedelta35 View Post
I wonder if you work there as a cockpit crew..
owww somebody is still drinking the cool aid. Just as a matter of interest what makes you think I’am not flying for the low cost trying to be flag carrier THY?

People do not listen to this fool, people are leaving en mass, and for the record I’am flying for THY.
The chief pilot send an e-mail to all the pilots that they are going to peg it to some mix of euro dollar and gold and pay after 6 months etc lot’s of promises and carrot on the stick me thinks.why because lot’s of promisses were made in the past none materialized.

enjoy your well spend money on the ng type-rating pumpkin

You made the comment below so Let me guess who does not work for THY?

I would say the articles is slightly biased. Sometime people mixed up their political/nation wise hates to the such articles. However, I heard from many Turkish pilot that fatigue is high. Working conditions are difficult compare to EU. Please do not forget that Austrian/Media/politicians somewhat have bad feelings about Turkish people or/and government in general which I can observe as Turkish living in EU. I also heard from people who attend THY Flight Academy selection that there are definitely backing to some candidates from intra-company even they dont deserve or have ability, for this reason one of my friend was mentioned that there might be even more incident happen in the future especially in THY. As article mentioned, ex-military pilots are big problem there. They have great experience and ability to fly but when it comes to CRM most of them under standards.

Last edited by PADRON737; 22nd Aug 2018 at 10:12. Reason: replying to trolls takes energy
PADRON737 is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:05
  #448 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 922
gearlever is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:29
  #449 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 9
Yeah right


Originally Posted by charliedelta35 View Post
Unfortunately, your language is too low for being pilot. I will not escalate the discussion further.
PADRON737 is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2018, 09:01
  #450 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2
Turkish wide body

Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
Boeing1234 is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 01:19
  #451 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: @Home
Posts: 18
Turn around ....

Originally Posted by Boeing1234 View Post
Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
Are you masochism and want to join a sinking ship?
LandSafe is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 01:27
  #452 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: @Home
Posts: 18
THY No 1 rule: Whatever you got in your contract, or as deal of earlier days, THY will turn it around and get approval by Union called Hava Is.
THY No 2 rule: At present only Hava Is is allowed to sign legal contracts, and Hava Is are 1% pilot or cabin crew and 99% truck drivers, ground staff, other labors.
THY No 3 rule: FTL does not exist, if deamed necesary, THY will isuue a new law and Turkish DGCA will approve, because Mr. E from A wants this airline in the air.
THY No.4 rule: We are Turkish, we don not need expats, we have our own nation, nobody is allowed to tell us any other possibilities how to deal with situations.
THY No.5 rule: Pilots can fly 25h per day.

By the way, this is a serious post.
LandSafe is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 01:52
  #453 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: @Home
Posts: 18
RE: I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
Why? Are you interested to join? How many warnings does a man need?

RE How many days off :
By contract 3 weeks ON, 1 week OFF. Real life: 6 weeks ON 1 week OFF

REand, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
In earlier days, 1 day was respected to be for traveling

RE: Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
Welcome to the lottery. No info and no plan at all.
Guess:a company who is not able to help you within 8 years of experience, while the time you need help is between 5 pm to 9 am, and the planned hotel is unable or unwilling to accept you. What would this company help? Answewr: Nothing!
Guess more: If now, a complete airport structure with 50.000 labors is moving into an area, where only 5.000 habitants live, where hotels could provide 500 beds at max and the village can provide 200 homes at max, just guess how prices will rise and how this fantastic company will handle the new problems?
Pilots will continue to travel on their own by taxi needing 1h of drive.

RE: How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training
By contract you are not allowed to go home in your ON days, As said, they could put 2 periods together and nobody is able to do anything.
.
RE: Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
Indeed! Be prepared to get many situations from anybody or nobody. You cannot tell, who is your friend. On top, do not talk against Mr E from A while your phone is on. If smartphone, while it is either on or if Offline, if your aps are online by wifi.

RE: It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
No published information. Just repetetive hot air from Chief pilot, telling the individual future is below the company futere. Rumors saying, no hard currency.

RE: Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros,
This is a complete lie !!! It was never, except Bonus month, this money !!

RE: while today it is more like 7000.
This is, what it was already before !!!

RE: Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
Dream on. If anybody or if there is a single person telling this, he will be slaughtered by pilots. Forget any high number. Just switch your mind on.
THY is Turkey. Turley is Mr E from A. Currency is down due to so many reasons belong to Mr E. Mr E is asking his people to distroy all US products.
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve salary payment in US?
Do you really believe, one of Turks greatest representitives of Mr E would pay in US?
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve a single payment in any other currency than his belioved Turk Lira?

RE: The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
You must know, that you are trash. They use you, they kick you in the trash bag when a single Turk is able to replace you.

The magic question you did not ask: How to survive?
RE: How to survive?
Never board an aircraft of THY. THY pilots believe, it is not a matter of if there will be a crash soon. The question is, will it happen this month ...
LandSafe is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 03:07
  #454 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Arakis
Posts: 186
Wow thanks for the thy info
gtaflyer is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2018, 12:53
  #455 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Seabottom
Posts: 5
Yep, correct

I see someone is really angry, and again it’s a 737 driver in thy. I work there too, not for much longer though. I can only completely and fully agree with everything that is written in all previous answers.
I am in the luxury of being a Triple driver. I entered three years ago.

Everything has been a constant slide backwards. I thought, gullible, that when E got his presidency a la Putin things would at least stabilize.
But the guy has stepped on so many’s toes it is now becoming apparent that the place is in meltdown.
it will spiral out of control the last months of this year.
A civil war is not unthinkable! (Not my words, from my Turkish colleagues).

actual; Salary of july was 41000 tl, the pay out was 6800€ back then. Today that’s 5300 and some change.

The new airport; Won’t be ready. Crew terminal will probably consist of Nissen huts or so.

Commute will be nightmare.
Hotels in the area, 1

Every day on average 1,5 pilot resigns. September will be hell because in the tens will resign at once and go to Pegasus. Company does nothing to stem the flow.
They do circle jerks because the profits are huge, until they hit the wall and it comes down on them. And it will because Turks are like any other Asian, too proud and pigheaded to acknowledge the problem.

Sorry, I refuse to get into details about long haul roster(West coast USA 13 hr block out and 13 back with 22 hours on the ground, should tell you enough)
and other stuff.

THY is a deeply employee unfriendly airline. Also to their own good people who by law are not allowed to strike, are represented by a union that’s so far up the ass of E, you can just see the tips of their shoes.

To them foreigner employees are troublemakers, always creating difficulty. Wouldn’t surprise me that they allow the current drain to continue to make all foreigners leave. But alas, I now start to sound like a turk, full of conspiracy theories.

All I can say is, like all before me, stay THE HELL AWAY!

worldnomad is offline  
Old 3rd Sep 2018, 21:03
  #456 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: France
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by Avenger View Post
According to fellow aviators ex THY, they hear THY have just given a 20% pay rise to cockpit crew...
Becomes peanuts
erma330 is offline  
Old 3rd Sep 2018, 21:29
  #457 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: France
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by worldnomad View Post
I see someone is really angry, and again it’s a 737 driver in thy. I work there too, not for much longer though. I can only completely and fully agree with everything that is written in all previous answers.
I am in the luxury of being a Triple driver. I entered three years ago.

Everything has been a constant slide backwards. I thought, gullible, that when E got his presidency a la Putin things would at least stabilize.
But the guy has stepped on so many’s toes it is now becoming apparent that the place is in meltdown.
it will spiral out of control the last months of this year.
A civil war is not unthinkable! (Not my words, from my Turkish colleagues).

actual; Salary of july was 41000 tl, the pay out was 6800€ back then. Today that’s 5300 and some change.

The new airport; Won’t be ready. Crew terminal will probably consist of Nissen huts or so.

Commute will be nightmare.
Hotels in the area, 1

Every day on average 1,5 pilot resigns. September will be hell because in the tens will resign at once and go to Pegasus. Company does nothing to stem the flow.
They do circle jerks because the profits are huge, until they hit the wall and it comes down on them. And it will because Turks are like any other Asian, too proud and pigheaded to acknowledge the problem.

Sorry, I refuse to get into details about long haul roster(West coast USA 13 hr block out and 13 back with 22 hours on the ground, should tell you enough)
and other stuff.

THY is a deeply employee unfriendly airline. Also to their own good people who by law are not allowed to strike, are represented by a union that’s so far up the ass of E, you can just see the tips of their shoes.

To them foreigner employees are troublemakers, always creating difficulty. Wouldn’t surprise me that they allow the current drain to continue to make all foreigners leave. But alas, I now start to sound like a turk, full of conspiracy theories.

All I can say is, like all before me, stay THE HELL AWAY!

And I am going to add:

2014 Wide Body Salary:

26500TL Rate: 0,43USD/TL 11395USD

2015:

26500TL Rate: 0,35USD/TL 9275USD

2016:

33000TL Rate: 0,31USD/TL 10230USD

2017:

37500TL Rate: 0,27USD/TL 10125USD

2018:

43000TL Rate: 0,15USD/TL 6450USD


Any further explanation required???
erma330 is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2018, 06:00
  #458 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53° 32′ 9.19″ N, 9° 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 596
Leaked video of a crisis meeting between Mr. E and the finance minister:
ExDubai is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2018, 20:14
  #459 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 0
Guys are there any additional income tax besides 5% that need to be paid on year basis?
nebojsar is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2018, 05:13
  #460 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: istanbul
Posts: 5
stay away from THY on 737

hi all,

i am turkish. i have been flying as FO as P4 on 737 at THY since 2014. i have more than 6000 hours and waiting for upgrade almost 2 years, I cannot see what will be happen about upgrades because of seniority. they put the pilots into upgrade lists who have relatives and relationships with goverment people. as you can see, “game of thrones” on theatres.??!! )

since 2016, crew planning and rostering are worse than ever.
  • THY is using a software named “Carmen” for crew planning. they are modifying and changing its software to adapt new shit FTL and their rules.
  • they are making so many inputs into software so as to arrange some good flights with a proper resting time, funny and fancy destination for managers, relatives of managers and their good friends as TRI/TRE etc.
  • pilot union “HAVA-IS” is just a shit and head of this union is relative to goverment and thy management so they are not protecting pilots. never.
  • on 737 fleet, you are planned at least 15 days layovers. you are AWAY from your home at least 15 days.
  • 10-12 days layovers cover Anadolujet flights staying in different cities in Turkey such as 4-5 block days 3-4 times in a month. ( %90 percent Ankara, rest is Antalya, Izmir, Adana, Trabzon, etc.) with minimum rest time which is 10 hours(most of the time they plan 10-12 hours resting time) starting next flight early in the morning reporting time 3-5 am local time 3-4 legs each day 4 days in a row. you are logging 4hours flight time with a flight duty time 13:30hours according to FTL.(insanely wasting too much time for almost nothing)
  • most of the time transfer between airport and hotels around 45 minutes that makes 1h30minutes to hotel and way back to airport and it is included in resting time.
  • on 737 fleet %90 percent of time you have only anadolujet and africa flights and layovers.
  • % 50 percent of africa flights have 2 legs until going to hotel. logging 7.5-8 hours and arriving hotel around 3-4 am local time. you have 22 hours rest time officially but as i mentioned above you are already wasting 2 hours during transfers. you will have a pick up time on the same day around 22:00-24:00 local time in the evening. so you cant sleep enough and rest properly before flight after you wake up in the afternoon.
  • from africa flights, you arrive at istanbul in the morning around 8-9 am local time. next day, you have a stdby duty starting at 3 am local time lasts 8 hours until 11 am local time. most of the time they give you a call around 3-4 am by interrupting your sleep at night for reporting time.
  • crew planning department call you on your OFF days for a flight duty, they try to push you to accept the flight by proposing some ideas about pilot shortage, supporting and helping our company. they are talking and behaving on the line such as they are begging on you but behind scene they just put you in place you are an idiot. (many times when they called me, i was with a friend next to me who had stdby duty but somehow they were not calling him???!!!) if you dont accept the flight, they duly note your name, then they start to punish you, taking your planned flights in the next 3-4 days out of your roster by replacing stdby and reserve duties which means they will inform you between stdby duty hours, turning your life into HELL, by making your life unplanned.
  • according to new protocol agreed between HAVA-IS and THY, they can plan flights 7 days in a row mixing flight patterns starting early in the morning or late in the evening with 12 hours resting. it is impossible to focus and have a proper rest. they always plan early flights around 2-3 am local time after your double OFF. so you cannot count your second dayoff for full rest.
  • most of the domestic flights are short flights so you cannot even eat during your flight because cabin crews reject to give you food during flight by complaining such as “they dont have enough time to serve for cockpit” and company also supports cabin crew against pilots by placing passengers in priority instead of pilot’s physiological needs. so dont expect to eat during anadolujet operation in flights????!!!!
  • they started to plan 737 cockpit crews 4-5 time in a month from Sabiha Gokcen(SAW). you are transferred from Ataturk Airport to Sabiha by crewbus takes around 1.5-2 hours. after you complete 4 legs flight, you are transferred back to Ataturk Airport by another 1h30m, (most of the time more than 2 hours depending on traffic jam in istanbul) as deadhead crew. so your resting time already started in crewbus according to FTL!!!!!!. sounds funny huh? but it is %100 real. you are expect to go to flights 4 days in a row with these pattern and you becoming really, really exhausted during this period.
i have been almost 5 years in THY and just waiting for a start date for another company in order to runaway from this shit place. just STAY AWAY from 737 fleet in THY (sorry for capitals)
seco83 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.