Jet2 Autumn 2014

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by olster

I've been in both and I prefer Jet2.

You will be in a significant minority (i.e. Just one) as most people move the other way. A handful of pilots have been 'asked' to leave for various reasons in the past and ended up in Jet2. Apart from time to command, a glance at T&Cs in Jet2 shows they are noticeably poorer.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

What evidence do you have that Jet2 would be different to Thomson or any other airline or indeed business, that redundancies would not be made during a down turn?

I don't, all I know is that over the last 13 years that I have been at Jet2 there have been no redundancies made or threatened due to economic downturns, by comparison the bottom of the seniority list has been culled on at least one, if not more occasions.

With regards to T's and C's, I can't argue, Jet2 don't stack up against Thomson, but not many airlines do.

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants

I don't, all I know is that over the last 13 years that I have been at Jet2 there have been no redundancies made or threatened due to economic downturns, by comparison the bottom of the seniority list has been culled on at least one, if not more occasions.

With regards to T's and C's, I can't argue, Jet2 don't stack up against Thomson, but not many airlines do.

Much of what you have posted is illinformed and speculative! Redundancies were made at Thomson because it changed its business model and got rid of the low cost side of the business - Thomson fly. I could speculate and say these things could happen elsewhere. Just because your 13 years (wow!) with Jet2 have not seen redundancies does not mean that if the company were faced with this dilemma, it wouldn't follow suit. Unless Jet2 is a charity run for the benefit of its pilots. But I speculate.

T&Cs better than Jet2 at: BA, VS, TCX, TOM

Sort it out. Help Jet2 to get T&Cs up to where they should be!

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

B7E7,

As I said, I don't for one minute think that Jet2 wouldn't do what they have to do, they just don't seem to make as much of a habit of it as other airlines.

[Twiglet1]

Btw story is true, due appalling Thomson roster

Hec7

Probably a commuter or someone in the wrong job. Anyone with half a brain appreciates it doesn't get much better.
What's the difference between a Pilot and a Jet Engine?
The Pilot never stops whining

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by LessPepper

Thank you Boeing 7E7 for some useful input.

Can we move on from the 'my dad could beat up your dad' competition and get back to something productive input, is anyone aware of the situation for holdpoolers at the moment? I've not been swimming too long but know people who've been waiting for nearly a year now.

Further recruitment is up in the air at the moment. Airlines tend to be the 'canary in the mine' when it comes to plotting the direction of the economy and Thomson, like a number of other airlines sense a down turn on the horizon and are taking steps accordingly.

[olster]

Not a minority of one. Took the money and ran to the desert. If you want to say that Thomson or certainly Jet2 is better than all ME options I could not agree more. Thomson had a lot of hard fought for benefits which courtesy of Britannia management and Balpa made the airline the employee's choice. Post merger it became obvious that the new management were determined to drive those conditions south at a rate of knots. Partially successful including 100 redundancies off the bottom. Anyway 7E7 you are obviously an expert on everything so good luck. Or exhibiting a common Thomson trait, a spectacular Stockholm syndrome whereby all other airlines are somehow 'inferior'. I can only say and repeat that Jet2 has been a breath of fresh air in my experience.

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by olster

Or exhibiting a common Thomson trait, a spectacular Stockholm syndrome whereby all other airlines are somehow 'inferior'. I can only say and repeat that Jet2 has been a breath of fresh air in my experience.

Sorry you think that. We are talking TOM verses Jet2 and I called you on it. Ultimately, if your experience is as you say it is, great! But the overwhelming flow of pilots is from Jet2 to TOM and not the other way around.

[olster]

No problem 7E7. The truth is out there. Of course, Thomson is a good airline and in airline 'hierarchy' it is well regarded. In my own opinion the airline industry across the board has been the target of the mba community, not least pilot terms. Jet2 does not appear surprisingly to be over concerned about the lack of flying hours in winter. The managers are dare I say it pilot 'types' and are generally tuned into our concerns or so it appears. New aircraft appearing and the image courtesy of Jet2 holidays is gradually changing. To my jaded, not far from retirement eyes it really has been a 'breath of fresh air'. Including minimal political backbiting which I had the misfortune to have a ringside seat for in Thomson / TUI or whatever they call themselves this week. So before, the 'what about the hold pool?' wannabes get animated again let's take a compromise view in that they are both good companies and direct comparisons are not reliable. Of course the flow has been from Jet2 to Thomson traditionally but I suspect that will not be forever. Cheers.

ps in terms of awfulness they are both airline nirvana compared to Emirates.

[Chesty Morgan]

In my experience the overwhelming flow of pilots is constituted of FOs. There are quite a few who are being sucked in by the promise of the Dreamliner. They'll learn sooner or later.

How many captains are leaving Jet2 for a DEC at Thomson?

[Boeing 7E7]

None. Thomson don't offer it.

[aileron]

As a 787 Training Captain at Thomson I have to take exception to your comment Chesty. A recent Final Line Check I did was on an ex Jet2 pilot who was in the Capt 'hold pool' at Jet2. He elected to leave for various reasons. He is now an FO on the 787 with us. He's happy he left, I can only go on what he told me.

I promised myself I wouldn't post again, but I gotta tell ya some of the stuff posted here is way off the mark.

Being sucked in by the promise of the 787? Two years in Thomson and it's yours if you want it. It's not for everyone and neither is Thomson it seems, but for those who are interested, it's easily the best job I've ever had. For those who aren't, good luck. Right.......I'm really done now.

And yeah the 787 is fab.

[Chesty Morgan]

You take exception to my experience?

[Snapper5]

How can anyone say that Jet 2 has better T&Cs than Thomson ?
Thomson,Monarch and Thomas Cook are in a league of there own (if you take into account regional bases and schedule agreements)
I think there may be some Thomson jealousy

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

How can anyone say that Jet 2 has better T&Cs than Thomson

Did I miss something, I don't believe anybody has said that Jet2 has better T's and C's than TUI. Cant be sure about MON these days after their recent turmoil, and all I know about TCX is that their pension contribution is way above Jet2's.

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan

You take exception to my experience?

Well....yes! The overwhelming evidence of pilots leaving Jet2 to come to Thomson suggests otherwise.

[bluepilot]

Guys, enough of the willy waving my dad is bigger than your dad rubbish.

Different companies have different attractions benefits and downsides, back to the thread on those that wish to join Jet2.

[Boeing 7E7]

Nothing to do with what you suggest. This thread is littered with half truths, uninformed views and peddling 'views' which clearly have an ulterior motive. So give it a rest, Bluepilot.

[Busbo]

I think you could replace "this thread" with "this website".

If that's the kind of thing that gets your blood boiling you may be wise to put down your iPad (other non fruit based tablets are available)

[Boeing 7E7]

Why would you think it makes my blood boil? Just saying like it is. But some pilots don't like to be challenged or called out on their nonsense!