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At the moment they are no longer progressing applications from those already in the system (ie passed Day 1 or 2) who do not meet the Long Haul minima and have a number of pilots in the hold pool who have likewise been told they are unlikely to receive offers any time soon.
I would thus suggest it is unlikely in the near future!
I would thus suggest it is unlikely in the near future!
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Hi,
Is anybody willing to share a few rosters from blind line junior pilots on the various long haul fleets? Obviously not too specific so that you can't be identified etc. Just weighing up the improvement in lifestyle compared to the current employer.
I really appreciate any replies!
Also, has anyone been called from the hold pool for long haul since the update was sent out?
Thanks
Is anybody willing to share a few rosters from blind line junior pilots on the various long haul fleets? Obviously not too specific so that you can't be identified etc. Just weighing up the improvement in lifestyle compared to the current employer.
I really appreciate any replies!
Also, has anyone been called from the hold pool for long haul since the update was sent out?
Thanks
Is anybody willing to share a few rosters from blind line junior pilots on the various long haul fleets?
It's going to be an interesting few months...
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BA hold pool
Any ideas of the break down in the hold pool? How many are not meeting the long haul requirement? Many A320 rated? Are they likely to exceed 12 months in the hold pool and get sent back to square one like previous years?
All the best to those affected.
HP
All the best to those affected.
HP
My sources are:
- The recent email to hold poolers stating that only long haul offers would be made to those who did not hold A320 ratings and no non-rated recruitment (apart from FPP) would take place onto the A320
- Two friends who have been informed that despite passing, they will not be progressing to the next stage of recruitment due to not meeting LH type or hour requirements, one after day 1, one after day 2
- Contact with other hold pool swimmers through this website/via email
- The recent email to hold poolers stating that only long haul offers would be made to those who did not hold A320 ratings and no non-rated recruitment (apart from FPP) would take place onto the A320
- Two friends who have been informed that despite passing, they will not be progressing to the next stage of recruitment due to not meeting LH type or hour requirements, one after day 1, one after day 2
- Contact with other hold pool swimmers through this website/via email
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That's interesting. I can only assume training capacity is at its limit on the A320. There is a huge amount of movement from the A320 fleet to LH fleets and also from RHS to LHS. Perhaps 320 numbers are shaping up nicely as they have pushed in a large number of new FO's onto the fleet. Pretty much all bidders who don't require a type rating have been given an ok bid for command on type
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Why have BA got a 25tonne limit on people going onto long haul? People have joined the big 3 in the Middle East onto 777 and A330 from dash 8s,CRJs etc without problems.
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EK have only recently dropped the bar low enough to turboprop because they can't attract anyone. It was out of desperation and necessity.
The simple answer to many of these questions is that BA can do, and always have done, whatever they like.
The simple answer to many of these questions is that BA can do, and always have done, whatever they like.
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I went through the recruitment process last year. BA opened a few different applications; first it was 320 only, then 330/340 guys who would be willing to do the short course to convert onto the 320 and finally non type rated. I didn't apply at the 320 only stage as I wanted to try long haul but by the time a job offer came around for me, there was no choice but the 320 anyway. I nearly didn't accept based on that and from what I know now that would have been a major mistake. As much as people complain about the fleet, it has far more variety than my previous job and plenty of flexibility. There are guys with Heathrow commands coming up after 3 or 4 years in the company and rumours that they may need to open a supplementary bid to fill more spaces.
Some people had the feeling that long haul courses were being offered to get more applications through the post, and they certainly got mine because of that, once you've invested your time in the whole
process it's hard to turn down a job. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a little bit of that going on now, some of my old colleagues at Easyjet are certainly more interested in applying.
BA are going through one of the biggest recruitment drives ever, they haven't been able to offer any part time in this years bid due to lack of Pilots. Seniority on the 320 is moving like nobody's business. I wouldn't be too concerned with falling out of the hold pool if you've been successful but don't meet long haul requirements, it is highly likely that the 320 training capacity is maxed out but it's a matter of time before they need more folks on the fleet.
I think this campaign will continue onward for some time!
Some people had the feeling that long haul courses were being offered to get more applications through the post, and they certainly got mine because of that, once you've invested your time in the whole
process it's hard to turn down a job. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a little bit of that going on now, some of my old colleagues at Easyjet are certainly more interested in applying.
BA are going through one of the biggest recruitment drives ever, they haven't been able to offer any part time in this years bid due to lack of Pilots. Seniority on the 320 is moving like nobody's business. I wouldn't be too concerned with falling out of the hold pool if you've been successful but don't meet long haul requirements, it is highly likely that the 320 training capacity is maxed out but it's a matter of time before they need more folks on the fleet.
I think this campaign will continue onward for some time!
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The most junior successful applicant for LHS Airbus LHR this year has a grand total of 6 months in the company as a copilot.
There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.
IMHO, the 2 main reasons for Command becoming so junior this year is the combination of
*3500 TT required
There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.
IMHO, the 2 main reasons for Command becoming so junior this year is the combination of
- Our rosters will soon be constructed to the new EASA FTL's and
- Our new CEO has come from Veuling and his opinions of Short Haul pilots is reflected in his T's and C's of his previous company
*3500 TT required
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Vueling, a company that still struggles to turn a profit despite the salaries they pay. That should tell him all he needs to know about the relevance of pilot pay to the profitability of a company.
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From the above post???????
There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.
I thought all Airbus slots were now covered after any movers changing fleets by FPP and Airbus rated Experienced people from the pool. Hence why we hear people in the pool that are not Airbus rated or meet the long haul requirements being told no offers for you this time and guys in the selection process not meeting the requirements being told they will progress no further as everything next year is now long haul.
Or are things about to change once again?
Best of luck to everyone where ever you are in the process.
HP
There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.
I thought all Airbus slots were now covered after any movers changing fleets by FPP and Airbus rated Experienced people from the pool. Hence why we hear people in the pool that are not Airbus rated or meet the long haul requirements being told no offers for you this time and guys in the selection process not meeting the requirements being told they will progress no further as everything next year is now long haul.
Or are things about to change once again?
Best of luck to everyone where ever you are in the process.
HP
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Harry, the post is talking about A320 Command positions and a lack of experienced FOs bidding for them - hence why there are some A320 DEPs with appropriate previous experience, but less than a year in BA, with a successful bid from right to left. I suspect the current focus on long haul recruitment is due to EASA in February. I was recently told that even now, the 747 needs a 25% increase in numbers come February. Apparently we will recruit similar numbers onto the 747 in 2016 as we have in 2015. That will mean more than 40% of the FOs on the fleet will be new DEPs. Incredible really.
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Hope that clarifies things!
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Minimum Qualifications for BA Command Clarification
Just to clarify the required minimums for BA Command as few statements I've read on here aren't quite accurate..... It states in the OM-A Section 5.2 that there are 4 boxes of various experience, one of which you must satisfy before commencing a BA Command Course.
'1000 hrs PIC & 2000 hrs in command on civil jet transport greater than 25 tonnes with zero time in BA'I suggest won't apply to many, so we'll bypass that!
Most will fall into this category.....
'2000 hrs on jet transport greater than 25 tonnes or military equivalent, 1 year in BA'.
Being that the most Junior Command on offer is to a DEP with 6 months or so in BA and is at the back end of courses in terms of seniority then he/she will probably have completed close to 18 months in BA by the time the course comes around. It's most likely that the DEP joined BA with at least 500 hrs & still must have an ATPL (1500 hrs) to hold a command in any company as it's the law.
A large majority of DEP's joined with 320 ratings so will have plenty of previous experience... One chap I was safety pilot for on his day one was an ex Easy skipper... & will have 12 months in BA by the time a course arrives. There are some very experienced recent joiners which BA should take full advantage of if there is a course for them in seniority.
The question from ex Turbo Prob colleagues is does a Dash 8 count as 'Jet Transport'?... If it doesn't then '3500hrs total time, 2500 hrs on public transport greater than 12½ tonnes or military equivalent & 3 years 1500 hrs in BA will probably catch recent DEP's out....
In Summary of what's turned into a bit of a waffly post....
Yes, if you have just joined BA you can be offered a command course based on your previous experience. Hope this helps.
Rgds BASHLH.
'1000 hrs PIC & 2000 hrs in command on civil jet transport greater than 25 tonnes with zero time in BA'I suggest won't apply to many, so we'll bypass that!
Most will fall into this category.....
'2000 hrs on jet transport greater than 25 tonnes or military equivalent, 1 year in BA'.
Being that the most Junior Command on offer is to a DEP with 6 months or so in BA and is at the back end of courses in terms of seniority then he/she will probably have completed close to 18 months in BA by the time the course comes around. It's most likely that the DEP joined BA with at least 500 hrs & still must have an ATPL (1500 hrs) to hold a command in any company as it's the law.
A large majority of DEP's joined with 320 ratings so will have plenty of previous experience... One chap I was safety pilot for on his day one was an ex Easy skipper... & will have 12 months in BA by the time a course arrives. There are some very experienced recent joiners which BA should take full advantage of if there is a course for them in seniority.
The question from ex Turbo Prob colleagues is does a Dash 8 count as 'Jet Transport'?... If it doesn't then '3500hrs total time, 2500 hrs on public transport greater than 12½ tonnes or military equivalent & 3 years 1500 hrs in BA will probably catch recent DEP's out....
In Summary of what's turned into a bit of a waffly post....
Yes, if you have just joined BA you can be offered a command course based on your previous experience. Hope this helps.
Rgds BASHLH.
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I'm afraid no one with 2000 hours is going to get a command. To have 1000 PIC (on an Airbus) at 2000TT would be a statistical impossibility.
So assuming 200 hrs to get fATPL during training and then straight on to A320 with, say, Easyjet, before joining BA, you'd be looking at about 2200 hrs TT minimum for command.
The 1000 PIC is an alternative requirement. Thats how I read it anyway.
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BA skipper pay is 25% more than FO grade. After tax prob no more than £600-700 month for basic grade captains.
Most long haul FOs have 10-15 years min seniority . They are used to their pay grade and position . The are not ambitious and have no desire to sacrifice lifestyle for hammering around europe in the hissing rain . And all those communities to LHR.
If you are ambiguous for command , then nows the time to apply. Wether you make it to the pool only god will know.
Most long haul FOs have 10-15 years min seniority . They are used to their pay grade and position . The are not ambitious and have no desire to sacrifice lifestyle for hammering around europe in the hissing rain . And all those communities to LHR.
If you are ambiguous for command , then nows the time to apply. Wether you make it to the pool only god will know.