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Norwegian A320neo order
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It is an old one, the same stories are floating around on the internet, the Norwegian home website, says the order is firm and expected in 2015,
Anyone from the company itself, care to share with us lowly minions, if these rumours are infact true, or are the orders to go onto other operators, and not be taken on by them ??
I understand this will be a lifeline, for lots of Airbus guys & gals out there, looking to move on, for whatever reason, from the likes of easyJet, Wizz, Aegean & any other charlatan operators out there
, but remain in Europe.
I personally cannot see the point of operating two different fleet types, i.e. Boeing & A airbus as they pith presumably will be using the CFM56 so …..
What do you guys think ?????
It is an old one, the same stories are floating around on the internet, the Norwegian home website, says the order is firm and expected in 2015,
Anyone from the company itself, care to share with us lowly minions, if these rumours are infact true, or are the orders to go onto other operators, and not be taken on by them ??
I understand this will be a lifeline, for lots of Airbus guys & gals out there, looking to move on, for whatever reason, from the likes of easyJet, Wizz, Aegean & any other charlatan operators out there
, but remain in Europe.I personally cannot see the point of operating two different fleet types, i.e. Boeing & A airbus as they pith presumably will be using the CFM56 so …..
What do you guys think ?????
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Other than Norwegians looking to return home, absolutely no one with a permanent job and an ounce of common sense will be leaving easyJet to join Norwegian. Incidentally, to include Wizz and Aegean in the same league as easyJet or to call them 'charlatan operators' shows a staggering misunderstanding of who fits where in the pecking order of European airlines.
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Norwegian firms up A320neo order - 6/8/2012 - Flight Global
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A Memorandum of Understanding is pretty close to proving an airlines intention to purchase aircraft.
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A Memorandum of Understanding is pretty close to proving an airlines intention to purchase aircraft.
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What us lowly minions have been told and its the same in the public domain is that the order for both the Neo & Max (100 of each) are firm orders, the reason for ordering both are various including the deal from both Airbus & Boeing was such a good deal they order both. Also there is a significant delay before the Max is available in late 2017 and the Neo in next year.
It was also stated that by taking both Norwegian push back the delivery date to other operators bearing mind that the Neo should have a operating cost advantage over the current NG of 15% and the max over the NG of 15 -17%, but more importantly is the increased range both offer, Norwegian already operate some of the longest sectors operated by any NG operator anywhere in the world, DBX to OSL/ARN & TOS to TFS/LPA but have to restrict the payload to around 155-160.
Norwegian have also stated that they plan to operate other ultra long sectors and LPA to South America & the Caribbean have been mentioned amongst others, LGW east coast? same space as a 757, but less people, but much much lower operating cost per seat.
If Norwegian decide not to use them, then I'm sure Norwegian leasing will appear and no shortage of people wanting them i guess?
More interestingly is where will they be based and who will fly them, but as you say no shortage of people wanting to escape the desert and further East, if they don't take them, then their growth will stall when the current NG deliveries are completed, its for other to judge whether that will be a good or bad thing
re pecking order
Do you mean from a pilots point of view or size? if its the later the NAS are number 3 behind easyJet i believe
Thai contracts are for the 787 fleet
No shortage of applicants for the 738 fleet a course a week running for the 1st 3 months of this year and yes many ex FR guys
It was also stated that by taking both Norwegian push back the delivery date to other operators bearing mind that the Neo should have a operating cost advantage over the current NG of 15% and the max over the NG of 15 -17%, but more importantly is the increased range both offer, Norwegian already operate some of the longest sectors operated by any NG operator anywhere in the world, DBX to OSL/ARN & TOS to TFS/LPA but have to restrict the payload to around 155-160.
Norwegian have also stated that they plan to operate other ultra long sectors and LPA to South America & the Caribbean have been mentioned amongst others, LGW east coast? same space as a 757, but less people, but much much lower operating cost per seat.
If Norwegian decide not to use them, then I'm sure Norwegian leasing will appear and no shortage of people wanting them i guess?
More interestingly is where will they be based and who will fly them, but as you say no shortage of people wanting to escape the desert and further East, if they don't take them, then their growth will stall when the current NG deliveries are completed, its for other to judge whether that will be a good or bad thing
re pecking order
Do you mean from a pilots point of view or size? if its the later the NAS are number 3 behind easyJet i believe
Thai contracts are for the 787 fleet
No shortage of applicants for the 738 fleet a course a week running for the 1st 3 months of this year and yes many ex FR guys
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There was a little rumour going around they would be in LGW & BCN , mainly it was suggested,due to the lack of flts to nasty places Ooop Norff that somehow they think the Bus is less suited to than the Boeing . . . . . but well, you know rumours, then again, it is called professional pilots rumours & news.
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Other than Norwegians looking to return home, absolutely no one with a permanent job and an ounce of common sense will be leaving easyJet to join Norwegian. Incidentally, to include Wizz and Aegean in the same league as easyJet or to call them 'charlatan operators' shows a staggering misunderstanding of who fits where in the pecking order of European airlines.
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Other than Norwegians looking to return home, absolutely no one with a permanent job and an ounce of common sense will be leaving easyJet to join Norwegian. Incidentally, to include Wizz and Aegean in the same league as easyJet or to call them 'charlatan operators' shows a staggering misunderstanding of who fits where in the pecking order of European airlines.
Ezy are definitely in the pecking order and not the worst out there, however they are definitely more "Wizz and Aegean" than "Norwegian"
Depends which pecking order you are referring to if its aircraft numbers you are correct. Not sure about any other criteria that could be applied though. Possibly not much in it in many other comparisons.
Ezy are definitely in the pecking order and not the worst out there, however they are definitely more "Wizz and Aegean" than "Norwegian"
Depends which pecking order you are referring to if its aircraft numbers you are correct. Not sure about any other criteria that could be applied though. Possibly not much in it in many other comparisons.
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Alexander de meerkat….Whilst I do not mean to offend….easyJet, I understand is a stable company and a chosen career path for many, but I also understand that the infighting, the crew food issue, the questionable morals & implementation of the fatigue system, the very long days…very little recovery , the "some people progress, whilst others do not"…within easyJet has left people looking for a fresh ride.
As someone posted recently, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king…unfortunately it is easyJet right now…but hopefully Norwegian will change that and come shopping for drivers…which can only be good for the rest of us…ALL of us….
Scratch beneath the orange veneer & it is just as Blue…possibly not as irish but just as blue
so…what is so good about easy ? and what is this perceived pecking order ?
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Interesting points indeed. I think if Ts & Cs are better then people will move. That is how it works.
In easyJet there is a perception (instigated from management) that the Vikings (NOR) are our biggest threat in the medium term ie 3-5 years.
All of the above is just evolution I suppose. Jobs/opportunities will attract the many nomads that this career path has historically done so in the past and in the future.
Interesting points indeed. I think if Ts & Cs are better then people will move. That is how it works.
In easyJet there is a perception (instigated from management) that the Vikings (NOR) are our biggest threat in the medium term ie 3-5 years.
All of the above is just evolution I suppose. Jobs/opportunities will attract the many nomads that this career path has historically done so in the past and in the future.
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Orange..... Like Brighton through rock !
I am unsure about the issues being debated above as there are a lot of good points being made, the only thing that seems set in concrete is total inability of Alexander De Meerkat to see past the Orange propoganda.
Yes my friend there are other airlines and from a pilot perspective at least one is better run that EZY............simples !
Yes my friend there are other airlines and from a pilot perspective at least one is better run that EZY............simples !
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If you feel you can reconcile away the Thai contracts by saying its on a different fleet then your need a reality check.
The Thai contracts could potentially have massive impacts on the entire industry and flying an A320NEO for another group company won't help you one bit.
The Thai contracts could potentially have massive impacts on the entire industry and flying an A320NEO for another group company won't help you one bit.
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Don't call me surely
You make a very interesting point about name and livery
The Red Nose livery together with famous faces (to some??) on the tail are very distinctive as to the name, well if they were to change it they are leaving it late in the day and must have invested a huge amount of money, so i think they'll stay with it.
There is a counter argument to change in that the name is seen to represent Scandinavian standards, no mater that it might be a Spanish crew, english flight deck or just about any other European national on board....or Thai I gather..
You make a very interesting point about name and livery
The Red Nose livery together with famous faces (to some??) on the tail are very distinctive as to the name, well if they were to change it they are leaving it late in the day and must have invested a huge amount of money, so i think they'll stay with it.
There is a counter argument to change in that the name is seen to represent Scandinavian standards, no mater that it might be a Spanish crew, english flight deck or just about any other European national on board....or Thai I gather..
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manfkexsrsrwy - whilst accepting that everyone is entitled to a view, I do not accept that the characterisation of life at easyJet as 'infighting, the crew food issue, the questionable morals & implementation of the fatigue system, the very long days…very little recovery , the some people progress, whilst others do not' etc' as being in any way reliable. With the possible exception of the crew food, which is truly dreadful, the rest is simply not correct. I am not sure which infighting you are referring to or indeed which questionable morals you are considering, but I would not accept that as reflecting reality in any way. I can buy into the long days as being difficult, but the days are not long when compared to people who work in the City, for example. I would contend that working for any airline involves long days, and that is just the nature of the beast.
A and C - I would also not accept that I back all things orange, but I do think that easyJet is a very good airline to work for. I do not think that makes me 'unable to see beyond the orange propaganda'. For example, in the recent debacle over recruitment, when nearly 40 pilots were offered jobs and then had those offers rescinded I was happy to say that it was a disgrace - which indeed it was. Equally when things are good or when there is utter rubbish being spoken about easyJet by people who know little or nothing about it I am happy to say they are wrong. My point in this thread is that easyJet is better than the likes of Wizz Air, Aegean and Norwegian, whilst accepting that some people, for geographical reasons mainly, may choose to work elsewhere. Possible the best way to judge this issue is who leaves which airline to go where. Virtually no pilot has left easyJet to join Aegean or Wizz Air, from which it would be reasonable to assume that in the pecking order of life they are down the batting order of airlines to work for. There are pilots who have left Monarch to join us and those that have left us to join them. Those that have joined Monarch seem to like it, so I would infer from those statistics that both are airlines roughly on the same rung of the ladder to work for. Many people have left easyJet to join national carriers like BA, and virtually none have come the other way (other than those who were kicked out previously at 55). I would conclude from those statistics that easyJet is a good employer but not as good as the likes of BA. That is a realistic view and not propaganda. I have had many conversations on the flight deck down the years with young pilots considering leaving easyJet for other jobs. I have always had a dispassionate view and sought to advise them as I would my own kids. In that time I have never met a single one who is contemplating leaving us to go to Norwegian, Wizz Air or Aegean - I would view any move along those lines as a backwards step unless there was an overwhelming personal reason to go there (marriage, home country and so on). If someone wants to go to BA and they are young enough to get the benefit of that choice then I wish them well. I could not argue with their choice as overall BA have more to offer than easyJet does in terms of variety and aircraft type. My point is that in terms of desirable employer, easyJet fits into the world's airline list below national carriers but above most other companies. That seems to me a balanced view and not one based on 'orange propaganda' - I will leave it for others to judge.
A and C - I would also not accept that I back all things orange, but I do think that easyJet is a very good airline to work for. I do not think that makes me 'unable to see beyond the orange propaganda'. For example, in the recent debacle over recruitment, when nearly 40 pilots were offered jobs and then had those offers rescinded I was happy to say that it was a disgrace - which indeed it was. Equally when things are good or when there is utter rubbish being spoken about easyJet by people who know little or nothing about it I am happy to say they are wrong. My point in this thread is that easyJet is better than the likes of Wizz Air, Aegean and Norwegian, whilst accepting that some people, for geographical reasons mainly, may choose to work elsewhere. Possible the best way to judge this issue is who leaves which airline to go where. Virtually no pilot has left easyJet to join Aegean or Wizz Air, from which it would be reasonable to assume that in the pecking order of life they are down the batting order of airlines to work for. There are pilots who have left Monarch to join us and those that have left us to join them. Those that have joined Monarch seem to like it, so I would infer from those statistics that both are airlines roughly on the same rung of the ladder to work for. Many people have left easyJet to join national carriers like BA, and virtually none have come the other way (other than those who were kicked out previously at 55). I would conclude from those statistics that easyJet is a good employer but not as good as the likes of BA. That is a realistic view and not propaganda. I have had many conversations on the flight deck down the years with young pilots considering leaving easyJet for other jobs. I have always had a dispassionate view and sought to advise them as I would my own kids. In that time I have never met a single one who is contemplating leaving us to go to Norwegian, Wizz Air or Aegean - I would view any move along those lines as a backwards step unless there was an overwhelming personal reason to go there (marriage, home country and so on). If someone wants to go to BA and they are young enough to get the benefit of that choice then I wish them well. I could not argue with their choice as overall BA have more to offer than easyJet does in terms of variety and aircraft type. My point is that in terms of desirable employer, easyJet fits into the world's airline list below national carriers but above most other companies. That seems to me a balanced view and not one based on 'orange propaganda' - I will leave it for others to judge.
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Now come on Alex,
By way of explanation; (my bold)
Let's see what happens when Norwegian put Airbus into Gatwick and tells all the Boeing drivers based there to go and be rebased to Spain.
I have never met a single one who is contemplating leaving us to go to Norwegian
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