Stop bashing "P2F"
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Daddy buys rich kid a job.............. Company bean counters laugh all the way to the bank.
Been happening in one profession or another for hundreds of years in family's that want to keep those children who can't be trusted with the family money in respectable employment.
Been happening in one profession or another for hundreds of years in family's that want to keep those children who can't be trusted with the family money in respectable employment.
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And why on earth not?
Unnecessary suffering is a remarkable self indulgence usually engaged in by those whom you'd not want in the pointy end.
You can blame British Airways in the beginning for starting the monstrosity of patronage that called itself Hamble.
Unnecessary suffering is a remarkable self indulgence usually engaged in by those whom you'd not want in the pointy end.
You can blame British Airways in the beginning for starting the monstrosity of patronage that called itself Hamble.
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You're 29 and still flying GA.
When I'm your age, I'll be a TRI/TRE.
Pay the money and get on with it or turn 40 and have no hope. That's all I'm saying...
When I'm your age, I'll be a TRI/TRE.
Pay the money and get on with it or turn 40 and have no hope. That's all I'm saying...
Hopefully by 40 you might have an expectation that you start to get paid a salary
The rest of us want(ed) a career, not an expensive hobby
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Unbelievable..
Grow up my friend and leave the hard job done by professionals who spent their life suffering and sacrifying, eating mud and studying, traveling abroad and leaving beloved at home...
If you have the bucks for that, lucky you, but for god sake don't tell such bullXXXt and respect other's sacrifices in excelling in aviation, fighting against people like you for a right seat..
Grow up my friend and leave the hard job done by professionals who spent their life suffering and sacrifying, eating mud and studying, traveling abroad and leaving beloved at home...
If you have the bucks for that, lucky you, but for god sake don't tell such bullXXXt and respect other's sacrifices in excelling in aviation, fighting against people like you for a right seat..
Está servira para distraerle.
At a sort of random guess I'd say there was a parallel here with the pilot of the last century and the soldier pulling the trigger who gets splattered with the blood and guts of his spifflicated enemies contrasted with the pilot of the present, the operator who pushes a button and watches an Afghani or two puff away in the dust of a screen shot from a thousand miles away.
But then again, no one's going to pay US$23million for the reminiscences of the screen jockey which is not that much more than I was offered for mine anyway. All in all a most successful little exercise in salmon fishing with dynamite.
But then again, no one's going to pay US$23million for the reminiscences of the screen jockey which is not that much more than I was offered for mine anyway. All in all a most successful little exercise in salmon fishing with dynamite.
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We were thinking of selling our company aircraft and flying comercial, however having read this twits post I think we will actually upgrade aircraft rather than sell, there is NO WAY my staff will be made to sit in the back behind twits like this, good Lord, he might be asked to fly a visual approach on a VFR day with NO ILS! {and we all know what this leads to}, As for the atmosphere in the cockpit with the likes of this imature brat, it doesnt bear thinking about!
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No way this is true, and if it is I hope I never have to share a flight deck with the OP.
Second what someone else has said, you didn't make your own luck you bought your own luck with dad's money.
There's nothing wrong with having training paid by your folks if they are in a position to help, it's incredibly lucky. But be grateful and humble about it, instead of taking pot shots at the guys who can't afford and rubbing it in that they are actually learning the trade from the ground up rather than buying into RH seat jet jobs. Instead start saving some money from your shiny job so that one day when your child says he wants to be a pilot you can help him out.
Also if this is real it's probably not going to take many people long to figure out who you are from your description as a 19 year old OAA graduate who's dad flew for BA, combine that with a good dose of arrogance to distinguish yourself further. Enjoy your new found crew room popularity.
Second what someone else has said, you didn't make your own luck you bought your own luck with dad's money.
There's nothing wrong with having training paid by your folks if they are in a position to help, it's incredibly lucky. But be grateful and humble about it, instead of taking pot shots at the guys who can't afford and rubbing it in that they are actually learning the trade from the ground up rather than buying into RH seat jet jobs. Instead start saving some money from your shiny job so that one day when your child says he wants to be a pilot you can help him out.
Also if this is real it's probably not going to take many people long to figure out who you are from your description as a 19 year old OAA graduate who's dad flew for BA, combine that with a good dose of arrogance to distinguish yourself further. Enjoy your new found crew room popularity.
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That's the problem with this "justin Biebers of the skies",mummy and daddy bought them a career then they come here with their condescending,self righteous, uninvited opinions…..dad fly for BA?I met a few guys like that at CRC,you'll fit right in! 
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Still hard to believe this guy's for real... it's gotta be a joke! Not the P2F thing, but the ATTITUDE. I hope I'll never fly with you with such arrogant mindset, demeaning those who have not had your's parent's bank account, and minimizing the extremely valuable experience (that you will never gain) of flying single pilot over the bush, turboprops in icing, landing on dirt strips, taking real decisions.
Even when you turn captain (surely by the time you reach your 24th birthday, right?), your lack of human consideration, lack empathy for your peers who went through different paths because they did not have your daddy's money, will only attract disdain from others.
Unless you won the lottery, and can then consider yourself extremely lucky in realizing your dreams, chances are you have not purchased the very car you drive to work with, sorry, not work, expensive hobby. You do not pay the rent of your flat or house either. Mom and dad are paying for all this. Any human being with an ounce of humility would rather be discrete about their own situation, should they be in your shoes.
Once again, this is not about P2F in itself, although a highly controversial question which I do not approve. But reading such remarks about the "losers" who can't afford it, this is outright indecent. You are just demonstrating that your money will take precedence over some other pilot who may be twice as competent, or ten times as much experience. This is sad, and I know it is far from a lie, unfortunately.
In a normal (as in not P2F) interview, the recruiters/managers look at the qualifications of the candidate, the experience, but also make sure the a$$holes are screened out, not to contaminate the atmosphere at work.
If seems in this instance that the P2F recruiters did the exact opposite, or maybe they just looked how much money was in the bank.
It all my words seems useless, just remember one thing:
"The a$$es you're kicking on the way up, you'll be kissing on the way down"
If you can't even remember this, not to worry, life will teach and remind you.
Happy landings, top gun.
Even when you turn captain (surely by the time you reach your 24th birthday, right?), your lack of human consideration, lack empathy for your peers who went through different paths because they did not have your daddy's money, will only attract disdain from others.
Unless you won the lottery, and can then consider yourself extremely lucky in realizing your dreams, chances are you have not purchased the very car you drive to work with, sorry, not work, expensive hobby. You do not pay the rent of your flat or house either. Mom and dad are paying for all this. Any human being with an ounce of humility would rather be discrete about their own situation, should they be in your shoes.
Once again, this is not about P2F in itself, although a highly controversial question which I do not approve. But reading such remarks about the "losers" who can't afford it, this is outright indecent. You are just demonstrating that your money will take precedence over some other pilot who may be twice as competent, or ten times as much experience. This is sad, and I know it is far from a lie, unfortunately.
In a normal (as in not P2F) interview, the recruiters/managers look at the qualifications of the candidate, the experience, but also make sure the a$$holes are screened out, not to contaminate the atmosphere at work.
If seems in this instance that the P2F recruiters did the exact opposite, or maybe they just looked how much money was in the bank.
It all my words seems useless, just remember one thing:
"The a$$es you're kicking on the way up, you'll be kissing on the way down"
If you can't even remember this, not to worry, life will teach and remind you.
Happy landings, top gun.
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When I'm your age, I'll be a TRI/TRE.
Hahahahaha!!, Hoooohooo. Phew, haven't had such a good laugh in ages.
Sadly for our young 'god of the skies' the CAA/training department and trainers still have a say in who gets to be a TRE/TRI and personality, professionalism and skill play a fairly big part. The amount of £££££'s from daddys APS pension scheme is, by and large, irrelevant.
It's a job, you get PAID for doing a job.
Happy trolling.
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I say!
You don't suppose that the OP is a woman troll do you?
That might help to explain the resounding subsequent silence although perhaps one had better not go into any further detail in the furtherance of one's investigation into the psychological possibilities and imperfections of the specimen under examination.
You don't suppose that the OP is a woman troll do you?
That might help to explain the resounding subsequent silence although perhaps one had better not go into any further detail in the furtherance of one's investigation into the psychological possibilities and imperfections of the specimen under examination.
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19 and Flying a Jet I cannot believe I am actually rising to this but just on the off chance you are not a troll or wind up merchant or whatever else you have been called let me just tell you something worth knowing. Your kind of arrogance is detested on the line at easyJet and is one of the reasons Balpa have been pushing hard to get recognition for the hundreds of non rated sound operators at other airlines trying to get into the company.
I went onto a turboprop after completing my training and learnt from some of the best operators I could have ever have wished to fly with. All of them most probably better than you will be at the same age. So don't get carried away with thinking you will be a TRI/TRE, maybe you will be, but you have a shedload to learn first.
I have 2000 hours and am now flying the Airbus. I've worked my way up (to a certain extent) and still I realise that what I know at 2000 total hours (and double the amount of jet hours that you have - NOT MANY) could maybe fill the back of a fag packet. It's called humility, you would do well to learn some.
I went onto a turboprop after completing my training and learnt from some of the best operators I could have ever have wished to fly with. All of them most probably better than you will be at the same age. So don't get carried away with thinking you will be a TRI/TRE, maybe you will be, but you have a shedload to learn first.
I have 2000 hours and am now flying the Airbus. I've worked my way up (to a certain extent) and still I realise that what I know at 2000 total hours (and double the amount of jet hours that you have - NOT MANY) could maybe fill the back of a fag packet. It's called humility, you would do well to learn some.
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This industry has been destroyed by share holder value commercial greed and bonus culture for management . These young pilots need to wake up and stop paying for permission to fly .They have their frozen Atpl fresh from school all just say no to pay to fly ,airlines will eventual have to change .If people continue doing this slave labour their future earning potential will be very low with even less respect .
I've been in this business for 25 years never had to pay for a type rating but year on year all our conditions are sliding .
Stick together fellow pilots or there will be no future for anybody good luck to all out there it's difficult and it always has been even for my generation and before who started out on this career path .
I've been in this business for 25 years never had to pay for a type rating but year on year all our conditions are sliding .
Stick together fellow pilots or there will be no future for anybody good luck to all out there it's difficult and it always has been even for my generation and before who started out on this career path .
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I want to know what the parents were thinking. It's all well and good buying your brat into a job if they don't have the talent and maturity to do it for themselves, but this is aviation. There's a good chance that the brat might kill themselves, or worse somebody else.
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Hi 19 flying ajet
Did not bother to read Your faritail.
Pay to fly for money has to stop.
I deal with You every day , scary . No pilots, hardley operators.
Good luck ,lets hope You never meet a real Check Pilot.
Pay to fly for money has to stop.
I deal with You every day , scary . No pilots, hardley operators.
Good luck ,lets hope You never meet a real Check Pilot.
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Ok, I'll bite. I think it's possible to become a safe and professional transport pilot regardless of how initial training was conducted (military, ga, traditonal ab-initio company sponsored/discounted cadet programs, MPL, and 0-atpl self funded), for those who get hired by a reasonably well managed airline.
At the same time I keep wondering if people who were accepted into a training that is paid for by others, fully or partially, have faced more rigorous selection earlier?
As an example, i read that in Norway a public university offers a 3 year degree in aviation now that gives you a Cpl-ir etc and fATPl, and some added academic knowledge as a bonus. Tuiton is symbolic, 200$ a year or so. Needless to say, seats are limited, lots of people apply, and selection is rigorous. As far as i understand graduates dont struggle to find a job. Same is generally true for military training.
The more you pay for your own training, the less selection there was to begin with, and then when you'll have to face that selection later, there's a risk you'll fail...after having paid a substantial amount of money (and hopefully you wont fail by making a hole in the ground, but just not get hired).
Most of these pay-for-a-license, pay-for-typerating, and pay-to-fly schemes are just a way to postpone selection, in my humble opinion. That doesn't mean that those who go through that way of training can not be excellent pilots, they could have passed the same standards others did, we just dont know, so possibly more selection is needed, for some of them.
At the same time I keep wondering if people who were accepted into a training that is paid for by others, fully or partially, have faced more rigorous selection earlier?
As an example, i read that in Norway a public university offers a 3 year degree in aviation now that gives you a Cpl-ir etc and fATPl, and some added academic knowledge as a bonus. Tuiton is symbolic, 200$ a year or so. Needless to say, seats are limited, lots of people apply, and selection is rigorous. As far as i understand graduates dont struggle to find a job. Same is generally true for military training.
The more you pay for your own training, the less selection there was to begin with, and then when you'll have to face that selection later, there's a risk you'll fail...after having paid a substantial amount of money (and hopefully you wont fail by making a hole in the ground, but just not get hired).
Most of these pay-for-a-license, pay-for-typerating, and pay-to-fly schemes are just a way to postpone selection, in my humble opinion. That doesn't mean that those who go through that way of training can not be excellent pilots, they could have passed the same standards others did, we just dont know, so possibly more selection is needed, for some of them.