Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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How can you block the middle seat without blocking the window seat? The only way would be telling the pax they can't seat there however the seat is still there available so I doubt the authority will ease on the safety regulations for the sake of cost saving for the airlines.
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We've used seat blockers in the past which disable the seat entirely and can be used to reduce the number of required crew. For starters, the plan is not to use the middle seats so right away, that's 1/3rd of the seat capacity down. 156 seat A319 becomes 104. Block another 5 and you only need 2 crew.
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Hi there
although I am not a pilot I am the father of a 21year old who went down the road of mpl training with easyjet and completed his full training plus simulator at gatwick on airbus a320 only to have his contract voided bu easyjet three days before his base training to get his licence, I know these are unprecedented times but he was so close to getting his licence and now it has left him with a £125k bill to pay and no job, We are also concerned about how long his certification will last before it will need renewing, he has got a reply from BALPA who cannot really help in the present circumstances.
although I am not a pilot I am the father of a 21year old who went down the road of mpl training with easyjet and completed his full training plus simulator at gatwick on airbus a320 only to have his contract voided bu easyjet three days before his base training to get his licence, I know these are unprecedented times but he was so close to getting his licence and now it has left him with a £125k bill to pay and no job, We are also concerned about how long his certification will last before it will need renewing, he has got a reply from BALPA who cannot really help in the present circumstances.
The license is valid for one year and pretty useless without hours in type.
21 years and he is not even able to write this himself? At that stage, I was writing to all airlines on my own.
Good luck to your son, the first thing to start is to take responsibility on his own. If he remains strong and resilient, he will eventually find his way
into a flight deck. But this will not be an easy ride.
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Larki
You're best talking to the organisations concerned directly. I would avoid this place and its army of armchair experts and doom spreaders that quite frankly know NOTHING! 10 years? Come off it. There is a well known cargo operator currently actively recruiting for 777 pilots.
Times are going to be tough but nobody knows how the landscape will look in a years time.
You're best talking to the organisations concerned directly. I would avoid this place and its army of armchair experts and doom spreaders that quite frankly know NOTHING! 10 years? Come off it. There is a well known cargo operator currently actively recruiting for 777 pilots.
Times are going to be tough but nobody knows how the landscape will look in a years time.
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Hello Larki,
I'm very sorry to hear of your son's plight. But on the other thread I started 'career advice for pilots' on Rumours and News, I've speculated that anyone who hasn't been in a major/legacy carrier for 10 years, or a loco for at least 5 years, is pretty unlikely to ever step into a flight deck again. If we're looking at a 25% ball park reduction in flying traffic over the next 5-10 years, then I don't think my depressing assessment is far off. It's extremely sad, and I feel for all my colleagues.
For someone who's just come out of flight training like your son, it's 125k pounds down the swanny I'm afraid.
Your son needs to think fast and act on his feet to make a plan.
From my other thread
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
I know what I'd be doing right now - buying up all the hairdressing/cutting equipment I can possibly get my grubby hands on. Setting up a business plan to strike as soon as the social distancing measures are relaxed and perhaps using, recruiting, or putting on retainer, 100s of hairdressers in the UK with a compelling business model. A national door to door service at a sensible price. Used reliable cars will be going cheap too to equip the fleet. Learn to cut hair in the mean time myself.
Go absolutely ballistic once the social distancing measures are relaxed. There's no way that the current number of hairdressers in the UK will even be able to keep up with even 25% of the demand they'll have in the first 3-6 months of recovery. There will be a massive backlog. Good luck trying to book in to get your barnet cut any time soon.
Then use the profits you've made from this venture, and the business experience gained to open more doors. Perhaps simultaneously get a degree in business or something even more left field like Engineering, with the profits you've just drummed up. And away you go.
But sadly, as I alluded to in the opening of this thread - anyone with less than 10 years flying at a major airline or 5 years at a loco probably won't ever see the inside of the flight deck again. It's very sad and I feel for all my colleagues.
Swallow that pill, act fast, and forget about the flying career.
I started flying in the 90s, went through the Asian Crisis, 9/11, SARS and the GFC of 2008... and this one will be an order of magnitude of 10 of all those previous inconveniences COMBINED. And my good friends who were in the wrong place at the wrong place had there careers set back 5-10 years even with those (now minor) hiccups in the road. This one............
I'm very sorry to hear of your son's plight. But on the other thread I started 'career advice for pilots' on Rumours and News, I've speculated that anyone who hasn't been in a major/legacy carrier for 10 years, or a loco for at least 5 years, is pretty unlikely to ever step into a flight deck again. If we're looking at a 25% ball park reduction in flying traffic over the next 5-10 years, then I don't think my depressing assessment is far off. It's extremely sad, and I feel for all my colleagues.
For someone who's just come out of flight training like your son, it's 125k pounds down the swanny I'm afraid.
Your son needs to think fast and act on his feet to make a plan.
From my other thread
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
I know what I'd be doing right now - buying up all the hairdressing/cutting equipment I can possibly get my grubby hands on. Setting up a business plan to strike as soon as the social distancing measures are relaxed and perhaps using, recruiting, or putting on retainer, 100s of hairdressers in the UK with a compelling business model. A national door to door service at a sensible price. Used reliable cars will be going cheap too to equip the fleet. Learn to cut hair in the mean time myself.
Go absolutely ballistic once the social distancing measures are relaxed. There's no way that the current number of hairdressers in the UK will even be able to keep up with even 25% of the demand they'll have in the first 3-6 months of recovery. There will be a massive backlog. Good luck trying to book in to get your barnet cut any time soon.
Then use the profits you've made from this venture, and the business experience gained to open more doors. Perhaps simultaneously get a degree in business or something even more left field like Engineering, with the profits you've just drummed up. And away you go.
But sadly, as I alluded to in the opening of this thread - anyone with less than 10 years flying at a major airline or 5 years at a loco probably won't ever see the inside of the flight deck again. It's very sad and I feel for all my colleagues.
Swallow that pill, act fast, and forget about the flying career.
I started flying in the 90s, went through the Asian Crisis, 9/11, SARS and the GFC of 2008... and this one will be an order of magnitude of 10 of all those previous inconveniences COMBINED. And my good friends who were in the wrong place at the wrong place had there careers set back 5-10 years even with those (now minor) hiccups in the road. This one............
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I've speculated that anyone who hasn't been in a major/legacy carrier for 10 years, or a loco for at least 5 years, is pretty unlikely to ever step into a flight deck again. If we're looking at a 25% ball park reduction in flying traffic over the next 5-10 years, then I don't think my depressing assessment is far off. It's extremely sad, and I feel for all my colleagues.
For someone who's just come out of flight training like your son, it's 125k pounds down the swanny I'm afraid.
For someone who's just come out of flight training like your son, it's 125k pounds down the swanny I'm afraid.
As others have said Larki, the people on here will be able to give you little helpful advice. Talk with EasyJet and the training provider once this has all blown over a bit to see what options you have with licence conversion, and ask the CAA about length of validity. Unfortunately your son won’t be the only one in this boat.
Good luck
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Now everyone knows how will situation on market look like but one month ago they didn't know this crisis was going to hit that severe.
Truth is that covid 19 caused much bigger impact on aviation industry and tourism in general comparing to any other crisis we had so far but no one can predict how long will it take until next recruitment.
I guess first airlines to start expanding or recruiting will be in Asia, but let's wait and see what will happen.
Anyway, you will always have airlines like Ryanair looking for young and 200h cadet so they can shape him in way they want than someone with 2000-3000h FO who will adopt harder to new procedures and airline policy...
Truth is that covid 19 caused much bigger impact on aviation industry and tourism in general comparing to any other crisis we had so far but no one can predict how long will it take until next recruitment.
I guess first airlines to start expanding or recruiting will be in Asia, but let's wait and see what will happen.
Anyway, you will always have airlines like Ryanair looking for young and 200h cadet so they can shape him in way they want than someone with 2000-3000h FO who will adopt harder to new procedures and airline policy...
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And there lies the rub
I may be a failed airline pilot but whatever advice I have ever given has been irrelevant from the moment mum and pop turn up at the ’Flyer Live Show’ and listen to the 'Industry Insider’ or the 'Aviation Expert’
However I was around post 1992 (ERM), 2003 (9/11)* and again 2008 when again the market tanked due to the bankers. I’ve seen CABAIR come and go and go and i've known people to lay down 80 Grand on the Friday to the Pilot Training College only for them to go bust on the following Monday**. I can also relate to chemotheraphy and radiotheraphy and trying to make a living without a medical.
So to be honest your not warning us of anything. Who you need to warn are the young kids being suckered in by the marketing machine.The MPL is a lemon and you brought it.
What your lad does have going for him is youth and ATPL theory passes. Sadly the MPL isn’t worth much at the moment and I’m not a sure the industry needs another 200 hour fATPL holder either.
Any flying like glider towing is out of the question unless you have some gliding experience. So I would suggest adding an SEP rating to the MPL build some hours and then do a FI course. Then try an find some weekend work. When the market picks up attempt the CPL and IR skills test. Sadly the average 70 hour MPL holder can’t even do a balanced turn so you looking at a significant amount of cost if you went straight to the CPL or IR.
Just to show I do have some Integrity if you can track me down I’ll wave the examiner fee for the SEP skills test***. Perhaps you could ring your MPL provider and see if they will do the same?
* Not really I didn’t have a medical
* Believe it or not but 3 months later this person laid down another 100 grand for an MPL. Sadly they have just been made redundant but lucky they do now have an ATPL.
** You can thank the person that did this for me many years ago
I may be a failed airline pilot but whatever advice I have ever given has been irrelevant from the moment mum and pop turn up at the ’Flyer Live Show’ and listen to the 'Industry Insider’ or the 'Aviation Expert’
However I was around post 1992 (ERM), 2003 (9/11)* and again 2008 when again the market tanked due to the bankers. I’ve seen CABAIR come and go and go and i've known people to lay down 80 Grand on the Friday to the Pilot Training College only for them to go bust on the following Monday**. I can also relate to chemotheraphy and radiotheraphy and trying to make a living without a medical.
So to be honest your not warning us of anything. Who you need to warn are the young kids being suckered in by the marketing machine.The MPL is a lemon and you brought it.
What your lad does have going for him is youth and ATPL theory passes. Sadly the MPL isn’t worth much at the moment and I’m not a sure the industry needs another 200 hour fATPL holder either.
Any flying like glider towing is out of the question unless you have some gliding experience. So I would suggest adding an SEP rating to the MPL build some hours and then do a FI course. Then try an find some weekend work. When the market picks up attempt the CPL and IR skills test. Sadly the average 70 hour MPL holder can’t even do a balanced turn so you looking at a significant amount of cost if you went straight to the CPL or IR.
Just to show I do have some Integrity if you can track me down I’ll wave the examiner fee for the SEP skills test***. Perhaps you could ring your MPL provider and see if they will do the same?
* Not really I didn’t have a medical
* Believe it or not but 3 months later this person laid down another 100 grand for an MPL. Sadly they have just been made redundant but lucky they do now have an ATPL.
** You can thank the person that did this for me many years ago
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The truth is no one knows where the industry will be be in 12 months’ time. We can take educated guesses but that’s all they are. Larki, I would go with those recommending you contact the relevant organisations directly although I would imagine at this stage, right now, they won’t have many answers.
If I were your son I would look to immediately find a job, any job, to get some money coming in. The priority is to put bread on the table, and if that means driving a Tesco delivery van around, so be it. That buys time, which is what you need in order to work out the next steps.
Your son has obviously had some bad luck (to put it mildly) but now is the time for him to show he has the resilience to get through this one way or the other. It’s bad times for sure, but we will all get through this. It’s not the end of the world !
If I were your son I would look to immediately find a job, any job, to get some money coming in. The priority is to put bread on the table, and if that means driving a Tesco delivery van around, so be it. That buys time, which is what you need in order to work out the next steps.
Your son has obviously had some bad luck (to put it mildly) but now is the time for him to show he has the resilience to get through this one way or the other. It’s bad times for sure, but we will all get through this. It’s not the end of the world !
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If I have understood what operator you're talking about, you need to be fluent in German.
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The truth is no one knows where the industry will be be in 12 months’ time. We can take educated guesses but that’s all they are. Larki, I would go with those recommending you contact the relevant organisations directly although I would imagine at this stage, right now, they won’t have many answers.
If I were your son I would look to immediately find a job, any job, to get some money coming in. The priority is to put bread on the table, and if that means driving a Tesco delivery van around, so be it. That buys time, which is what you need in order to work out the next steps.
Your son has obviously had some bad luck (to put it mildly) but now is the time for him to show he has the resilience to get through this one way or the other. It’s bad times for sure, but we will all get through this. It’s not the end of the world !
If I were your son I would look to immediately find a job, any job, to get some money coming in. The priority is to put bread on the table, and if that means driving a Tesco delivery van around, so be it. That buys time, which is what you need in order to work out the next steps.
Your son has obviously had some bad luck (to put it mildly) but now is the time for him to show he has the resilience to get through this one way or the other. It’s bad times for sure, but we will all get through this. It’s not the end of the world !
I did say that I would not post anymore because of juvenile and sarcastic remarks from a few people but I have to thank all the people that have given positive advice and I will relay this to my son who is stuck in lodgings at gatwick, he doesnt know about this but as a father who sees his sons dream collapsing I thought that I had to do something and try and be useful, once again many thanks and hoping no one else falls into this trap
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From: MXP
Tell him to never give up. If this is his dream job, he will find his way into a flight deck.
As far as I understand, the MPL license is tailored for one operator. easyJet is considered to be one of the best training in the industry.
Keep networking and ties from the flight school. Keep current and up to date with the industry.
This will open him perhaps doors and opportunities to other airlines.
The market will pick up again, but nobody knows when this is going to be. One needs to be persistent, especially during these times.
All the best, and I wish him well.
As far as I understand, the MPL license is tailored for one operator. easyJet is considered to be one of the best training in the industry.
Keep networking and ties from the flight school. Keep current and up to date with the industry.
This will open him perhaps doors and opportunities to other airlines.
The market will pick up again, but nobody knows when this is going to be. One needs to be persistent, especially during these times.
All the best, and I wish him well.
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Hi Larki,
like many others I’ve been in that uncomfortable situation of looking for a job during an aviation crisis... The advise worth taking right now is never give up! All other advises are worthless as all times, situations, and places are all different from each other and what got me out of the ditch won’t apply to your son... Nobody knows what will happen in a months time.... Unlike others, I appreciate the fact that a father holds his son’s hand trough a dark time but there is always light at the end of the tunnel however long that might be so don’t give up and don’t let your son give up...
best of luck!
like many others I’ve been in that uncomfortable situation of looking for a job during an aviation crisis... The advise worth taking right now is never give up! All other advises are worthless as all times, situations, and places are all different from each other and what got me out of the ditch won’t apply to your son... Nobody knows what will happen in a months time.... Unlike others, I appreciate the fact that a father holds his son’s hand trough a dark time but there is always light at the end of the tunnel however long that might be so don’t give up and don’t let your son give up...
best of luck!
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Larki. I have read the comments on here following your post. Some make me ashamed to be an airline pilot. Whilst it is true this is a fickle and difficult career, full of highs and lows (I have worked for 4 airlines that have left me redundant and had to spend years in the middle east when there were no jobs at all for a low hours pilot in Europe). This is a bad time for your son but things will recover......ignore to doomsters and the plain ignorant/rude. I fully understand, as do most decent human beings, what you are feeling on behalf of your son at the moment and just stay close to eJ.
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Hi there
although I am not a pilot I am the father of a 21year old who went down the road of mpl training with easyjet and completed his full training plus simulator at gatwick on airbus a320 only to have his contract voided bu easyjet three days before his base training to get his licence, I know these are unprecedented times but he was so close to getting his licence and now it has left him with a £125k bill to pay and no job, We are also concerned about how long his certification will last before it will need renewing, he has got a reply from BALPA who cannot really help in the present circumstances.
although I am not a pilot I am the father of a 21year old who went down the road of mpl training with easyjet and completed his full training plus simulator at gatwick on airbus a320 only to have his contract voided bu easyjet three days before his base training to get his licence, I know these are unprecedented times but he was so close to getting his licence and now it has left him with a £125k bill to pay and no job, We are also concerned about how long his certification will last before it will need renewing, he has got a reply from BALPA who cannot really help in the present circumstances.
If I were him, I'd be looking to transfer the MPL to a frozen ATPL, likely get some hours in by instructing, and applying for every Cadetship going. It will happen, it may sadly just be a while. Captain here, but I've just lost a job offer (but luckily hadn't handed in my notice yet), so fully understand your frustration..
Following qualification and before getting a job, I worked several jobs. It took about 2 years for me to find something, and I was training during 2001, so hopefully under worse circumstances than now.
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I'm also sorry to hear your situation.
If I were him, I'd be looking to transfer the MPL to a frozen ATPL, likely get some hours in by instructing, and applying for every Cadetship going. It will happen, it may sadly just be a while. Captain here, but I've just lost a job offer (but luckily hadn't handed in my notice yet), so fully understand your frustration..
Following qualification and before getting a job, I worked several jobs. It took about 2 years for me to find something, and I was training during 2001, so hopefully under worse circumstances than now.
If I were him, I'd be looking to transfer the MPL to a frozen ATPL, likely get some hours in by instructing, and applying for every Cadetship going. It will happen, it may sadly just be a while. Captain here, but I've just lost a job offer (but luckily hadn't handed in my notice yet), so fully understand your frustration..
Following qualification and before getting a job, I worked several jobs. It took about 2 years for me to find something, and I was training during 2001, so hopefully under worse circumstances than now.
Thousands of unemployed pilots all over the world.
2 years in current circumstances is very optimistic, I believe it will be 3 - 4 years at least.
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It will happen
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I have to agree - it will be several years before he will be picked up, if ever, if he doesn't stay current - which would be very expensive - likely to be good money after bad.
It's difficult to write off this size of investment, but most of us have lost this sort of sum at one time or other, especially recently. Airline flying ain't what it was anyway, and will be worse after c19. My advice would be to invest in training for a future proofed profession,eg IT. After a period of employment, there are some good government schemes which will provide and pay for this training
It's difficult to write off this size of investment, but most of us have lost this sort of sum at one time or other, especially recently. Airline flying ain't what it was anyway, and will be worse after c19. My advice would be to invest in training for a future proofed profession,eg IT. After a period of employment, there are some good government schemes which will provide and pay for this training
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Thats the best advice anyone can give in this case. When I finished flighttraining there were hardly any jobs going around, so it took me about 4.5 years to get to the flightdeck. In the meantime I worked in factories, call centres, all sorts just to pay the interest on my loan. Eventually I got a job flying small aircraft around for a few summers and ended up with my first commercial job and now I’m at a big airline in the UK. This is a horrible time to be newly qualified, but with a little luck and perseverance eventually he will get there. All the best!