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Narrow Runway – to answer your question; “how on earth can removing Free Tea and Coffee in the crew room save jobs?” - all I can say is that if you had ‘The Big Picture’ you would understand.
Unfortunately like you, those of us who work for the company, don’t understand either as we don’t have ‘The Big Picture’ – a fact I know to be true because our management keep telling us so – in fact every time somebody on the front line points out a problem or suggests an idea, we are told it can’t be a good idea as we don’t have “The Big Picture”.
Luckily our management do have “The Big Picture” – which is rumored to be kept on a wall in an office down in Exeter. Obviously the office has to be kept locked to prevent non management types accidently stumbling in and having their brains fried by its magnificent awesomeness.
We are however occasionally allowed snippets of information that the management have divined from “The Big Picture”, and based on that I can confidently state that the Flybe business model is not at fault, and that all the companies current woes are due to external factors such as the high price of fuel, UK APD, and the global economic crisis. These factors also affect other British airlines which is why, Easyjet, Ryanair, Jet 2, and BA are also unprofitable…...Oh, er, hang on, wait a minute………………
Unfortunately like you, those of us who work for the company, don’t understand either as we don’t have ‘The Big Picture’ – a fact I know to be true because our management keep telling us so – in fact every time somebody on the front line points out a problem or suggests an idea, we are told it can’t be a good idea as we don’t have “The Big Picture”.
Luckily our management do have “The Big Picture” – which is rumored to be kept on a wall in an office down in Exeter. Obviously the office has to be kept locked to prevent non management types accidently stumbling in and having their brains fried by its magnificent awesomeness.
We are however occasionally allowed snippets of information that the management have divined from “The Big Picture”, and based on that I can confidently state that the Flybe business model is not at fault, and that all the companies current woes are due to external factors such as the high price of fuel, UK APD, and the global economic crisis. These factors also affect other British airlines which is why, Easyjet, Ryanair, Jet 2, and BA are also unprofitable…...Oh, er, hang on, wait a minute………………
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Whatever "The Big Picture" looks like, it should be mandatory to be given to all pilots upon retirement, so then we can all quote Blackadder when he found out "Bob" was a girl - "Ahhhh, good lord..."
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I understand that the big picture has been offered redundancy in an effort to reduce overheads.
A new big picture, currently undergoing Flybe specific big picture training, has been told it will be kept on and has been offered the space on the wall. It does however, have to pay for its own blu tack.
A new big picture, currently undergoing Flybe specific big picture training, has been told it will be kept on and has been offered the space on the wall. It does however, have to pay for its own blu tack.
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No. You're wrong.
I'm sure it would have to be an "enhanced" redundancy package to tempt the big picture to leave.
Some kind of golden parachute as it falls off the wall perhaps?
I'm sure it would have to be an "enhanced" redundancy package to tempt the big picture to leave.
Some kind of golden parachute as it falls off the wall perhaps?
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Had a look at flyby website recently out of interest.
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NCL - LGW -early morning 5 days in advance - cheapest fare (first flight on a sat.) - £236
Ohhh
so I looked on BA - £96 (to LHR mind you)
You know you're in trouble when a management gives cabin crew a PA to read out stating that they have just won an award for the best inflight catering when we are basically an inflight vending machine. Really who comes up with this S**T.
Flybe management have basically lost touch with their customer.
We need to get back to basics and start focusing on who matters - the customer.
Cant be arsed to talk about more cause match of the day is about to start
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NCL - LGW -early morning 5 days in advance - cheapest fare (first flight on a sat.) - £236
Ohhh
so I looked on BA - £96 (to LHR mind you)
You know you're in trouble when a management gives cabin crew a PA to read out stating that they have just won an award for the best inflight catering when we are basically an inflight vending machine. Really who comes up with this S**T.
Flybe management have basically lost touch with their customer.
We need to get back to basics and start focusing on who matters - the customer.
Cant be arsed to talk about more cause match of the day is about to start
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Whatever "The Big Picture" looks like, it should be mandatory to be given to all pilots upon retirement, so then we can all quote Blackadder when he found out "Bob" was a girl - "Ahhhh, good lord..."
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Had a look at flyby website recently out of interest.
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NCL - LGW -early morning 5 days in advance - cheapest fare (first flight on a sat.) - £236
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NCL - LGW -early morning 5 days in advance - cheapest fare (first flight on a sat.) - £236
£131 return with FlyBe, £61 with Easyjet. For a family of 4 that's an extra £280!!!
Guess who I booked with?!
PS
Another significant factor in my opinion is FlyBe's hand baggage size which is smaller than anyone else's at 55 x 40 x 23 , whereas Easyjet's is 56 x 45 x 25.
The standard "cabin sized" wheelie case does not meet FlyBe's more restrictive limits (at only 40 cm wide) so I would have to pay extra for my bag as well!
It really is a no brainer!
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Tabs please !
I'll chip in from a passenger viewpoint. I do try and book Flybe and have a choice of two local airports. If Flybe are successful then I will have increased choice and competition. The reality is that I constantly find that if I want to get to my destination at a business-friendly time e.g. between 08:00 and 10:00 and return on a departing flight around 18:00 then Flybe don't cut it. Furthermore, I don't want to explain why I'm claiming hundreds of pounds in expenses where Easyjet or even "flag carrier" alternatives are half the price.
Winning an award for in-flight catering ? What does that mean, one more flavour of overpriced Pringles compared to the competition ? I guess I'll have to start flying at twice the price and a day earlier with a hotel stay as there may be a paprika option on the catering trolley. But wait, I can get my laptop in the overhead bin in an ATR-72 or Airbus but not in a Dash-8 and I won't be hungry as I will have breakfast at Costa Coffee. The only attraction of picking Flybe is that the aircraft will be half empty and the crew won't be distracted by a full bladder having had a free cuppa in the crew room.
If you are an employee then please print this post and send it to those who have "the big picture". I post under my own name and don't mind being contacted if the management are serious about creating a winning business. The only big picture that counts is the one that drives customer spend.
Winning an award for in-flight catering ? What does that mean, one more flavour of overpriced Pringles compared to the competition ? I guess I'll have to start flying at twice the price and a day earlier with a hotel stay as there may be a paprika option on the catering trolley. But wait, I can get my laptop in the overhead bin in an ATR-72 or Airbus but not in a Dash-8 and I won't be hungry as I will have breakfast at Costa Coffee. The only attraction of picking Flybe is that the aircraft will be half empty and the crew won't be distracted by a full bladder having had a free cuppa in the crew room.
If you are an employee then please print this post and send it to those who have "the big picture". I post under my own name and don't mind being contacted if the management are serious about creating a winning business. The only big picture that counts is the one that drives customer spend.
Tabs please !
Ho Hum,
I've just printed my orange boarding pass for tomorrow's jaunt. The red and yellow print cartridges are getting low however the blue one is still full. It's a pity given that driving to Bristol airport is a pain in the bum whereas Exeter airport is just off the M5.
I've just printed my orange boarding pass for tomorrow's jaunt. The red and yellow print cartridges are getting low however the blue one is still full. It's a pity given that driving to Bristol airport is a pain in the bum whereas Exeter airport is just off the M5.
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Spot on Mr Fraser. I avoid Flybe on business for two reasons, mainly their unreliability, and secondly their uncompetitive pricing.
I avoid Flybe for leisure travel because flying with them is usually not a pleasant experience, and even when travelling for leisure, I prefer to know when I'm getting to my destination and to be treated with some decency.
They lost the plot a while ago.
I avoid Flybe for leisure travel because flying with them is usually not a pleasant experience, and even when travelling for leisure, I prefer to know when I'm getting to my destination and to be treated with some decency.
They lost the plot a while ago.
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Come on they arn't that bad compared to some.
The crew have always seem pleasant the circus air experence is the same as any others carriers.
The stealing of planes seems bloody daft to me but then again I am a pilot not an accountant.
The baggage thing is a pain just as it is on all other carriers that use it as a revenue stream.
Those dashes though do seem to go tech alot.
The crew have always seem pleasant the circus air experence is the same as any others carriers.
The stealing of planes seems bloody daft to me but then again I am a pilot not an accountant.
The baggage thing is a pain just as it is on all other carriers that use it as a revenue stream.
Those dashes though do seem to go tech alot.
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I think it was edition 675 of the Harvard Business Review which published a survey of management types stating that the 'Big Picture' muse was often rolled out when neither the Board, or the senior executive management, had any idea how to stop unrecoverable drops in share price, revenues and profit. Apparently, when they decided to padlock the biscuit barrel and close the executive toilet, and use British Rail toilet paper in the minions toilet, it was a sign that not only were things bad, but that, god forbid, their share option price was probably out of reach and would have to be clawed back through slush funds in their expense accounts.
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Right then ladies and gents.....
Restructuring
Ok, so many jobs are being cut or outsourced and this has affected 10% consisting of crew, ground and office staff and engineers and 20% management. It is not ideal but the intention is to reduce overheads in areas which are perceived as either over staffed (and yes this really is the case in some areas) or where the roles are no longer required.
Drinks
Free drinks have been offered for a long long time at Mr Walkers request. To make so many cuts but still offer free Kenco is ludicrous and a petition was set up in Exeter to remove the free drinks. Kettles will be provided to out stations and I am sure the crew and ground staff can rustle a few quid to cover coffee and tea. If on an airport standby bring some tea bags and there is no issue. If this really is a problem I would suggest these people need to get out more and see what problems are affecting the real world.
Fares
They are expensive and Flybe do need to wake up and review their pricing strategy. However this can not be said for every route.
Cabin baggage
Generous for the type of aircraft mostly used on domestics. Plenty of bags available on the market: Cabin Luggage, Hand Luggage, Flight Bags & Wheeled Holdalls from Luggage Superstore. - Page 1 of 15
I found several on the web which fit in flybes sizes so what is the problem. This is not an advert and there are many sites selling cabin bags
We are suppose to be representing professionals here instead it's just another opportunity to moan, complain, slag off call it whatever but its not constructive and does not help.
Restructuring
Ok, so many jobs are being cut or outsourced and this has affected 10% consisting of crew, ground and office staff and engineers and 20% management. It is not ideal but the intention is to reduce overheads in areas which are perceived as either over staffed (and yes this really is the case in some areas) or where the roles are no longer required.
Drinks
Free drinks have been offered for a long long time at Mr Walkers request. To make so many cuts but still offer free Kenco is ludicrous and a petition was set up in Exeter to remove the free drinks. Kettles will be provided to out stations and I am sure the crew and ground staff can rustle a few quid to cover coffee and tea. If on an airport standby bring some tea bags and there is no issue. If this really is a problem I would suggest these people need to get out more and see what problems are affecting the real world.
Fares
They are expensive and Flybe do need to wake up and review their pricing strategy. However this can not be said for every route.
Cabin baggage
Generous for the type of aircraft mostly used on domestics. Plenty of bags available on the market: Cabin Luggage, Hand Luggage, Flight Bags & Wheeled Holdalls from Luggage Superstore. - Page 1 of 15
I found several on the web which fit in flybes sizes so what is the problem. This is not an advert and there are many sites selling cabin bags
We are suppose to be representing professionals here instead it's just another opportunity to moan, complain, slag off call it whatever but its not constructive and does not help.
Last edited by Cloud1; 10th Mar 2013 at 16:42.