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Apologies,
WoolyAlan posted the following:
"Imho, is it really fair to compare Thomson with the likes of FR & EZY?
By this I mean that TOM is a Charter Tour Operator that provides package holidays which EZY and FR (Thank God) do not.
Surely as long as people want a package holiday, which I'm willing to bet would be a massive percentage of the UK population, TOM would be safe(ish) gamble.
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?"
I was merely giving an insight to this opinion as someone who has used Thomson many times in the past as a customer, I see the quality of their shorthaul product in a constant state of decline. Talking to their customer services about it is asking for a cut and paste of their current policy and is nothing but a waste of your efforts these days, much like Loco customer service at times ( I am a realist ).
All that said I agree it does not have much to do with recruitment but does perhaps give an insight to the direction they are going.
Bring back Britannia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WoolyAlan posted the following:
"Imho, is it really fair to compare Thomson with the likes of FR & EZY?
By this I mean that TOM is a Charter Tour Operator that provides package holidays which EZY and FR (Thank God) do not.
Surely as long as people want a package holiday, which I'm willing to bet would be a massive percentage of the UK population, TOM would be safe(ish) gamble.
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?"
I was merely giving an insight to this opinion as someone who has used Thomson many times in the past as a customer, I see the quality of their shorthaul product in a constant state of decline. Talking to their customer services about it is asking for a cut and paste of their current policy and is nothing but a waste of your efforts these days, much like Loco customer service at times ( I am a realist ).
All that said I agree it does not have much to do with recruitment but does perhaps give an insight to the direction they are going.
Bring back Britannia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyone else having problems with the recruitment process? As a new applicant, when clicking on "Apply now", I'm consistently getting the message "an error has occurred processing the page you requested"
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Type rated only, with 300 hours on type!
Another win for the pay to fly brigade! How ironic that those who have done so much to destroy this industry will leap frog to some of the best terms in the industry!
I trust as a responsible employer they will take on those who they made redundant first? Most of whom I assume not 737 rated?
Another win for the pay to fly brigade! How ironic that those who have done so much to destroy this industry will leap frog to some of the best terms in the industry!
I trust as a responsible employer they will take on those who they made redundant first? Most of whom I assume not 737 rated?
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Ezydriver,
If you are indeed an 'easy-driver' why you flying with Thomson anyway and not using your concessions to fly Easy?
To keep on track with the recruitment theme of the thread and for those wondering about job security....
Thomson's long term strategy is not to compete with the low costs on flights.
You will be applying to 'Thomson Airways' not Tui travel. Thomson airways is the lift provider for our main customer, Tui travel.
Tui Travel are concentrating on providing unique holidays that the likes of easy jet cannot provide. That is why it investing heavily in products like Sensatori resorts.
Yes we have made and still are offering redundancy to pilots that want it. It is voluntary only hence we can recruit as well. Its about losing Top of scale pilots on £200k plus packages and recruiting pilots on 75k.
The package was spelled out very well in an earlier post. If anyone can tell me a better offer in the last 2 years for a UK based airline I'll eat my humble pie!
If you are indeed an 'easy-driver' why you flying with Thomson anyway and not using your concessions to fly Easy?
To keep on track with the recruitment theme of the thread and for those wondering about job security....
Thomson's long term strategy is not to compete with the low costs on flights.
You will be applying to 'Thomson Airways' not Tui travel. Thomson airways is the lift provider for our main customer, Tui travel.
Tui Travel are concentrating on providing unique holidays that the likes of easy jet cannot provide. That is why it investing heavily in products like Sensatori resorts.
Yes we have made and still are offering redundancy to pilots that want it. It is voluntary only hence we can recruit as well. Its about losing Top of scale pilots on £200k plus packages and recruiting pilots on 75k.
The package was spelled out very well in an earlier post. If anyone can tell me a better offer in the last 2 years for a UK based airline I'll eat my humble pie!
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ezydriver,
I was simply trying to suggest that EZY & FR are not Thomson's direct competitors as they cater for a different market, and that, imo it would be a safeish bet for job hunting flight crew because of this.
The thought of quality of service to passengers, be it good, bad or worsening, never entered my mind. Anyway, my fault, I used a poor choice of words when I said 'compare'
I was simply trying to suggest that EZY & FR are not Thomson's direct competitors as they cater for a different market, and that, imo it would be a safeish bet for job hunting flight crew because of this.
The thought of quality of service to passengers, be it good, bad or worsening, never entered my mind. Anyway, my fault, I used a poor choice of words when I said 'compare'
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I trust as a responsible employer they will take on those who they made redundant first? Most of whom I assume not 737 rated?
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Burpbot - totally agree with you matey. Victory to the people who destroyed the industry... when will us, who have done it sensibly and not paid for a type rating to poo down the necks of others get a sniff of anything at all??
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Fly Better is correct. Those made redundant have all been contacted and invited to apply for these posts which was the deal when originally made redundant. Most were 737 pilots. Many have moved to the Middle East and will be reluctant to give up a full time job for a part time contract, especially with current difference in time to Command between Thomson and the likes of Qatar Airways where many went ( unless unhappy in the Middle East and looking for a return.)
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English can be improved but no non type rated top notch self improvers need apply
• Type rated and current on B737 300 – 900 (preference given to those with 737 NG experience) and a minimum of 300 hrs on type
• Level 4 English with the ability to upgrade to Level 6
Whilst I appreciate TUI wants to get costs as low as possible so stipulates 300h on B737 300 and up, my condolences to all those excellent Flybe TP and EMB jet operators, Biz jets, Airbus pilots and Bush Pilots - you can have high grade flying and NOTEC skills but this is not what TUI want.
Then even if you have time on type the salary will be reduced at source because you will need re-training............... OK not as bad as RYR, WIZZ or EZY but still not the way to treat aviators.
I only hope unemployed bmi baby pilots and ex TFly get a look in.
• Level 4 English with the ability to upgrade to Level 6
Whilst I appreciate TUI wants to get costs as low as possible so stipulates 300h on B737 300 and up, my condolences to all those excellent Flybe TP and EMB jet operators, Biz jets, Airbus pilots and Bush Pilots - you can have high grade flying and NOTEC skills but this is not what TUI want.
Then even if you have time on type the salary will be reduced at source because you will need re-training............... OK not as bad as RYR, WIZZ or EZY but still not the way to treat aviators.
I only hope unemployed bmi baby pilots and ex TFly get a look in.
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Current bases that are short of 737 co-pilots are Luton, Cardiff, Doncaster and Newcastle, although this does not mean that this will be the bases recruited for, but I would be surprised if its not!- your not getting Gatwick though!
Been here 7 years and would not want to work anywhere else-including BA. Sure things have been harder the last few years with redundancies etc- but that did just follow a merger at a time of one of the worst economic backdrops for many generations.
All sorts of theories regarding the future look of Tui Travel PLC and Tui AG -look into that for your interview-but increasing profits, for now.
For those modular people upset by the type rating requirements on this occasion, I can sympathise with you, I went the same route, but there are many reasons for this, not least the training requirement for us this winter, you really should not go slagging off a company that you would apply for with different criteria, on a public forum, just because it means you can't apply on this occasion, you should remember you future interviewer may be reading.....
Good luck to all that apply
Been here 7 years and would not want to work anywhere else-including BA. Sure things have been harder the last few years with redundancies etc- but that did just follow a merger at a time of one of the worst economic backdrops for many generations.
All sorts of theories regarding the future look of Tui Travel PLC and Tui AG -look into that for your interview-but increasing profits, for now.
For those modular people upset by the type rating requirements on this occasion, I can sympathise with you, I went the same route, but there are many reasons for this, not least the training requirement for us this winter, you really should not go slagging off a company that you would apply for with different criteria, on a public forum, just because it means you can't apply on this occasion, you should remember you future interviewer may be reading.....
Good luck to all that apply
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thank you for the information theflyingbus.
What is they system for fleet changes? Seniority? Typically does the opportunity arise or can would expect command on the same type?
I see canadian crews and aircraft covering the Dublin summer base, is that set to continue in the longterm?
What is they system for fleet changes? Seniority? Typically does the opportunity arise or can would expect command on the same type?
I see canadian crews and aircraft covering the Dublin summer base, is that set to continue in the longterm?
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Some points to consider....
Some of the Thomson pilots here have posted very optimistic descriptions of the conditions here but if you are applying based on salary and time to command expectations the following may be of use to you.
The current recruitment at Thomson has come about because of what the management call a 'modernisation program'. The introduction of this is because they have assessed their operating cost to be a certain amount more than what they deem to be our main competitor - an orange coloured operation.
In order to reduce their costs we were asked to accept a change to our industrial agreement. Should we not have accepted this it was made clear that the tour operator would reduce its use of the in-house airline meaning that a fleet reduction and further redundancies would become necessary. Part of this agreement was creating the terms for recruiting pilots and part was change to our operating conditions. Posters above have indicated the amount it may be possible to earn through overtime payments based on the current conditions. Please do not expect to be able to do this. The new agreement will change our working practices so that the amount of overtime achievable will most likely be negligible (ie standby duties introduced where before we were offered pay for working on our days off, the number of days off in peak months is being reduced and the max monthly rostered hours increased).
Posts above also indicate that the time to command could be 10 years. I have been here for over 7 years and estimating from the company’s own internally published numbers of pilots reaching retirement age each year for the next few years it looks like my earliest chance of command is 12 years away. That is if the airline stays the same size. Things could go much better if we expand but as I said above the management has spent much of this year threatening us with further reduction so this time could more likely increase. The threat is all the more plausible as we have been told that a lot of our aircraft leases become due for renewal in 2015 which will mean there is the opportunity to shrink without significant cost to the business.
While I don’t want to be negative I would like anyone thinking of leaving another stable job to consider these things when making the decision. The airline is made up of a lot of great people but there is also a lot of low morale at the moment, especially among the FOs. For those applying good luck and should you be successful I hope you thoroughly enjoy working here.
The current recruitment at Thomson has come about because of what the management call a 'modernisation program'. The introduction of this is because they have assessed their operating cost to be a certain amount more than what they deem to be our main competitor - an orange coloured operation.
In order to reduce their costs we were asked to accept a change to our industrial agreement. Should we not have accepted this it was made clear that the tour operator would reduce its use of the in-house airline meaning that a fleet reduction and further redundancies would become necessary. Part of this agreement was creating the terms for recruiting pilots and part was change to our operating conditions. Posters above have indicated the amount it may be possible to earn through overtime payments based on the current conditions. Please do not expect to be able to do this. The new agreement will change our working practices so that the amount of overtime achievable will most likely be negligible (ie standby duties introduced where before we were offered pay for working on our days off, the number of days off in peak months is being reduced and the max monthly rostered hours increased).
Posts above also indicate that the time to command could be 10 years. I have been here for over 7 years and estimating from the company’s own internally published numbers of pilots reaching retirement age each year for the next few years it looks like my earliest chance of command is 12 years away. That is if the airline stays the same size. Things could go much better if we expand but as I said above the management has spent much of this year threatening us with further reduction so this time could more likely increase. The threat is all the more plausible as we have been told that a lot of our aircraft leases become due for renewal in 2015 which will mean there is the opportunity to shrink without significant cost to the business.
While I don’t want to be negative I would like anyone thinking of leaving another stable job to consider these things when making the decision. The airline is made up of a lot of great people but there is also a lot of low morale at the moment, especially among the FOs. For those applying good luck and should you be successful I hope you thoroughly enjoy working here.