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Old 25th Jul 2012, 14:16
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FR bases

Hi there!

Just a short questions about FR bases, since the last information I can find is quite old.I know all the disadvantages/advantages...so please only serious answers

1.)What`s the current situation for base change requests (is it possible? some rumours around say a 10% pay cut? rate of success?)

2.) Are all new bases on 5/3 and winter 5/4 or are there even some bases with a constant 5/3...

many thanks,

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Old 25th Jul 2012, 15:22
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The pay cut was only for people on a Ryanair contract not BRK pilots or the new storm ones, which is everyone now that joins as Ryanair contracts are hens teeth.

5/3 is the norm for a lot of bases in spain and italy and all new bases opening with the exception on the canary islands as the long 2 sector days make it no use as everyone go's out of hours quickly

The 5/3 becomes 5/4 in winter for all of them (i think)

As for getting a change of base! yea good luck, back to the UK is pretty much zero unless your lucky enough to get STN on a summer contract, then back to the back and beyond in winter to do lots of standbys and earn no money

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Old 26th Jul 2012, 14:04
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Forget it, there are no base transfers. They will actually try to put you in a base where u don't want to be . Just to give un an example I've been applying for a base for over a year now (Not a UK base and not a very popular base). Recently they have sent a bunch of other FOs there who didn't even request that base.
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 23:06
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Don't join unless you set the proper expectations. Just don't expect the base you want and don't expect to be treated like a professional. Instead, get the type, experience and hours and then move on to BA, another legacy or to the blazing hot Middle East to fly shiny new 787s for Qatar airways... As a pilot you are basically a mercinary on the move unless you join BA early...
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 12:17
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After line training in one of the northern UK bases I was sent away to a major Italian base for a mere ten months and now I'm back in a UK base again on a permanent basis. It is indeed luck. Right place right time etc.

I doubt applying for a new base through crewdock will get you anywhere quickly. We had a base meeting one day, I spoke to the guys on the day and a week later I was offered my first preference base via phone call.

An EXTREMELY UNFAIR system but that's the way FR operate. There are base transfers and they do happen. I'm not alone, there was a wave of F/O's from my old base getting their first preference.
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 13:26
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How popular are the Canary Island bases? I presume it is Tenerife South?
Are Malaga, Valenciamand Alicante popular?

I am looking for a lifestyle change from my present airline ( cpt. b737) and go live where the climate is warmer.
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 18:45
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Icelanta, go to the Middle East then...
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 19:45
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Sorry but We prefer to live in a country that has culture and nature
and I am not talking about shopping malls and sand.
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Old 28th Jul 2012, 17:46
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Icelanta, in order to enjoy culture and nature you need an employer thaof aches that level of culture but unfortunately with Ryanair you will put your family life in jeopardy due to the various legal issues with their dodgy contracts and due to the fact that if you can't fly you'll make no money and even flying the money you'll be making will not allow you to enjoy much culture anyways....
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We talk about big maintenance issues on the 800 fleet looming and bases opening and then closing based on local conditions/airport charges, but I am predicting a huge order for the Chinese C919 in the near future because neither Boeing nor Airbus will take O'Leary seriously. The maintenance issue with the 800s is a big deal and O'Leary will need to address it - especially as aggressive LCCs like Norwegian upgrades/refreshes its fleet in the coming years. Boeing already know that O'Leary will use Airbus to negotiate lower prices at Boeing - but Airbus refuses to be a "pawn" in this chess game. Meanwhile, the Chinese will offer the aircraft dirt cheap to get a foot-hold in the European market. The article below is a bit dated but I think it still holds true - as long as the aircraft is "legal" and passes its various regulatory checks, I'd say there is a good chance that you Ryanair boys will need to learn some Chinese and how to use the sidestick:

Article: Ryanair Considering 200-Plus Orders for China




Market entry is a bit off at 2016 but O'Leary has mentioned he "could" order 200 and get options for 200 more at some point...

Time will tell if Boeing or Airbus evetnually cave to this blatant negotiating tactic... Personally, I am a fan of the new Bombardier C-Series and I read the CS300 could be fitted with as many as 150 seats for LCCs (in a recent Bombardier offer for Air Asia). Certainly not the seat number you currently use at Ryanair but it is apparently very efficient vs. the regular 800 (cost savings vs. revenue up-side with more seats decision).

Big looming question: how would Ryanair handle training if the C919 were selected to replace the Boeing? I am betting the Chinese would throw in training for free (certain number of piltos per airframe) for existing FR pilots because O'Leary wouldn't pay for it. Typical PFT pilots (like those today on the Boeing) would be added in the future. Not sure the C919 type would be that useful/marketable outside of China in the future! Again, time will tell in terms of how Ryanair handles the fleet replacement/looming maintenance issue...

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Old 29th Jul 2012, 18:46
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Iver,

My guess is that MOL will hold out for the deal whereby each aircraft comes with 5 (sorry, they are Chinese, I guess 4 will do) Capts & FO's "ready-installed" with "Engrish Revel Fowa & an EASA/IAA accepted (only a few more for that. . .as usual ) licence. Perfect, maybe they could throw in 3/4 CC too if he negotiates really well, and why not Mr Chang the Mechanic Man too. A bit like the Playmobil Jet, everything in one package.
Looking forward to dumb-ass pax signing up for that, yep, you sure get what you pay for.
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Training for the c919 will be a moodle module and topclass self certification sign off...
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Well they might have a problem then finding people to pay for typeratings on those chinese jets....
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A bit off-thread guys.

Never going to happen. Boeing and Airbus are businesses and will sell to MO'L when he gets serious. My guess is that FR will place another 738 order because they won't risk a successful business model by buying from China.
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Perhaps - continuing with the 800s would obvious make sense due to switching costs and experience gained. But Boeing probably won't be as generous with the discounts this time around...
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