Calling all Ryanair and Brookfield staff
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Jimmy, a word to the wise, anyone involved in inviting SEPLA into the mix, or trying to act as an intermediary, should tread only "in the shadows".
Many of your "colleagues" will sell you down the river to win Brownie points, & should Ryanair decide (whether they are correct or not) that someone is agitating for Union Involvement, look forward to a free transfer out of Spain.
Any Union involvement on a unilateral basis has been dealt with in the past by moving the "perpetrators", either away, or in extreme (Martin Duffy) cases , out the door. Do not for one minute expect clean play from the other side, & do NOT put your head above the parapet. Careless talk costs lives, & some who you think are "on side", may be the complete opposite.
As most (78% ? ) of pilots are now "Service Providers" it is all too easy for them to decline your offer of provision of service, or to suggest that you would be better providing it in Kaunas/PIK or some other distinctly "Non Spanish" local.
If SEPLA do get involved, one of the first items on the agenda will be the legality of "Service Providers" & non payment of social contributions by Ryanair (& perhaps you too) Be careful what you wish for.
For this reason, it is probably wise not to lose focus by heading down the "Local" pilots association route & instead concentrate on doing what everyone on here is pleading you to do. Join the Pilots Association appropriate to your CONTRACT (not base of operation/country of residence, but country of CONTRACT) use REPA as the communication medium it is provided to be. Attend meetings if they are organised & you are available.
You do not have to hide in the shadows & refuse/deny interest in anything to do with a Union, but company history has shown it is not wise to be identified as a "leader" in any movement, sacrificial lambs are not needed, and past history has also shown too clearly that your colleagues will not sacrifice themselves to have you re-instated. Be realistic about what you (the individual) can realistically achieve by putting your head above the parapet.
With some determination/organisation the day may yet come to fight, but only on a united front, not in a way that you can be picked off, either as individuals, or as a "trouble-making" base.
3000 troops is formidable, 50 or so at one base is "easy meat" for the Savages you are up against.
Unity Unity Unity. . . . where have I heard that before ? had it been adopted when it should have been, years , nay decades ago, you wouldn't be in the shat you are in now, & I would be more optimistic of you pulling it off than I am now.
Prove me wrong, I would love you to, as we all suffer in this career for the cr@p they have fed you (formerly me too) for too many years.
It will be difficult enough to get Ryanair to recognise one Union, don't start believing that SEPLA is going to ride in like Don Quixote to save you all. Looking at the even sh1ttier terms & conditions "enjoyed" in Vueling should disabuse you of any illusions you have in this direction.
Many of your "colleagues" will sell you down the river to win Brownie points, & should Ryanair decide (whether they are correct or not) that someone is agitating for Union Involvement, look forward to a free transfer out of Spain.
Any Union involvement on a unilateral basis has been dealt with in the past by moving the "perpetrators", either away, or in extreme (Martin Duffy) cases , out the door. Do not for one minute expect clean play from the other side, & do NOT put your head above the parapet. Careless talk costs lives, & some who you think are "on side", may be the complete opposite.
As most (78% ? ) of pilots are now "Service Providers" it is all too easy for them to decline your offer of provision of service, or to suggest that you would be better providing it in Kaunas/PIK or some other distinctly "Non Spanish" local.
If SEPLA do get involved, one of the first items on the agenda will be the legality of "Service Providers" & non payment of social contributions by Ryanair (& perhaps you too) Be careful what you wish for.
For this reason, it is probably wise not to lose focus by heading down the "Local" pilots association route & instead concentrate on doing what everyone on here is pleading you to do. Join the Pilots Association appropriate to your CONTRACT (not base of operation/country of residence, but country of CONTRACT) use REPA as the communication medium it is provided to be. Attend meetings if they are organised & you are available.
You do not have to hide in the shadows & refuse/deny interest in anything to do with a Union, but company history has shown it is not wise to be identified as a "leader" in any movement, sacrificial lambs are not needed, and past history has also shown too clearly that your colleagues will not sacrifice themselves to have you re-instated. Be realistic about what you (the individual) can realistically achieve by putting your head above the parapet.
With some determination/organisation the day may yet come to fight, but only on a united front, not in a way that you can be picked off, either as individuals, or as a "trouble-making" base.
3000 troops is formidable, 50 or so at one base is "easy meat" for the Savages you are up against.
Unity Unity Unity. . . . where have I heard that before ? had it been adopted when it should have been, years , nay decades ago, you wouldn't be in the shat you are in now, & I would be more optimistic of you pulling it off than I am now.
Prove me wrong, I would love you to, as we all suffer in this career for the cr@p they have fed you (formerly me too) for too many years.
It will be difficult enough to get Ryanair to recognise one Union, don't start believing that SEPLA is going to ride in like Don Quixote to save you all. Looking at the even sh1ttier terms & conditions "enjoyed" in Vueling should disabuse you of any illusions you have in this direction.
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Ryr management are complaining about how hard times are, and how they have only been able to make 400 million euros this year. And how that number should have been 800 million instead. They have found the time to purchess a new Learjet. And all the while they make cabin crew take multiple mounths of unpaid leave.
These guys just have no idea, how soure there relationship is becoming between mgmt and the workforce.
These guys just have no idea, how soure there relationship is becoming between mgmt and the workforce.
Do the seats recline? Pax have to buy food onboard? Any pictures?
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The President of the ECA expresses his support to FR pilots!
The president of the European Cockpit Association has expressed his support for the Ryanair pilots in becoming organized.
Read the entire letter from the ECA on REPA Frontpage
Read the entire letter from the ECA on REPA Frontpage
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p.s almost 2200 members on the Ryanair pilots forum now, if even half them are signing the commitment to unity form then Ryanair management have right to be very worried.
and then half that again for the sign up sheet..........still positive though 
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Good luck Ryanair pilots, steel yourselves for a messy opening battle in a protracted and probably dirty war, but it will surely be worth it and all pilots in Europe will benefit from your determination to seek a better way to be employed.
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I heard a rumour that the base captain in Dublin is now actively recruiting for permanent positions on an anti-union team to start intimidating people about IALPA/BALPA!!
So I must assume yer man is putting in free overtime, if this is true!!!
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"Base captains are required to spend their time ensuring regulatory compliance, and dealing with operational and safety issues."
Ah yes but all management pilots including the chief pilot answer directly to director of Flight Operations, a man with no aviation qualifications to his name.
"Base captains are required to spend their time ensuring regulatory compliance, and dealing with operational and safety issues."
Ah yes but all management pilots including the chief pilot answer directly to director of Flight Operations, a man with no aviation qualifications to his name.
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"I heard a rumour that the base captain in Dublin is now actively recruiting for permanent positions on an anti-union team to start intimidating people about IALPA/BALPA!! We are definitely making progress!!!
no surprise to senior pilots, important that new FOs know exactly how these bullying tricks work."
A base captain can only run a base with the cooperation of his captains. If its not working out its easier to replace the base captain. Guys you know what to do.
By the way Brookfield FO's cannot be brought in for office duty without payment. If this is happening to you demand payment and back pay for any days you have done. FR contract guys can be brought in because their basic covers it and it's in the contract. However about 95%of FO's are BRK.
"I heard a rumour that the base captain in Dublin is now actively recruiting for permanent positions on an anti-union team to start intimidating people about IALPA/BALPA!! We are definitely making progress!!!
no surprise to senior pilots, important that new FOs know exactly how these bullying tricks work."
A base captain can only run a base with the cooperation of his captains. If its not working out its easier to replace the base captain. Guys you know what to do.
By the way Brookfield FO's cannot be brought in for office duty without payment. If this is happening to you demand payment and back pay for any days you have done. FR contract guys can be brought in because their basic covers it and it's in the contract. However about 95%of FO's are BRK.
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FR contract guys can be brought in because their basic covers it and it's in the contract. However about 95%of FO's are BRK.
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The Countdown has begun!
The Deadline for signing the Commitment for Unity Form is set for the 20th February.
Please ensure everyone is informed, and if you havenīt already done so yourself, sign the form and send it to IALPA according to the instructions given.
Please visit REPA Frontpage or contact IALPA for more details.
Please ensure everyone is informed, and if you havenīt already done so yourself, sign the form and send it to IALPA according to the instructions given.
Please visit REPA Frontpage or contact IALPA for more details.
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