Michael O'Leary talking about pilots
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Shiver - do you really suggest comparing us (you included ?) with shelf stackers? if so, please F.O. to another website, as you will be in for a bit of abuse here 
Who said I was comparing? I would happily take my €9 and fly a big shiny jet every day and someone on here complains that he 'only earns' €35 an hour when loads of people would gladly grab his shoes.
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Shiver - Well the problem are people like you, willing to work for nothing!
I also challenge you to spend £60.000 - £100.000 on your training, and be happy to make 9 Euro an hour!
Please tells how that really works out for you!
I also challenge you to spend £60.000 - £100.000 on your training, and be happy to make 9 Euro an hour!
Please tells how that really works out for you!
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Shiver is a nobody just trying to wind you up - dont take the bait.
Maxthepilot - I can assure you that many would "just quit" however unless you are a total retard your mind will stop you unless you have made adequate preparations, as I did.
Maxthepilot - I can assure you that many would "just quit" however unless you are a total retard your mind will stop you unless you have made adequate preparations, as I did.
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Very true vexed. Its a bit ironic that the type of people that do not support their colleagues and a union are the type that will wish to go to an Airline where pilots before them risked there jobs for the conditions that they will enjoy..... Its the way a spoilt brat behaves..
The reality is we have a choice in Ryanair now more than ever to organise our labour and achieve collective bargaining, It is our right to organise our labour rather than be divided into individual bargaining that doesn't exist...
The reality is we have a choice in Ryanair now more than ever to organise our labour and achieve collective bargaining, It is our right to organise our labour rather than be divided into individual bargaining that doesn't exist...
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To be fair to MOL he plays a very good game of being "the big bad CEO" ...the enemy. In fairness the pilots of Ryanair who do nothing, fail to join a union, fail to support each other and will be responsible for further degradation of T and C's in Ryanair are a far greater issue. 
MOL he is only a distraction until the 'fence sitters' of the Ryanair pilots get their/our respective acts together...He can call me what he wants when he pays me what I want !!!
MOL he is only a distraction until the 'fence sitters' of the Ryanair pilots get their/our respective acts together...He can call me what he wants when he pays me what I want !!!
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Very interesting
Thanks for posting this - it's very interesting and I was genuinely surprised by how charismatic and intelligent he is. If you didn't know how he abuses his employees and what a cold arsed bastard he really is you could be forgiven for thinking he's a good guy.
I actually think the fact he is a smiling assassin makes him even more deadly. You guys in Ryanair had seriously better get your act together and get union representation, not just for the sake of yourselves but for the sake of the whole industry in Europe. The truth is that many of you thought that by keeping your head down, accepting being treated like sh*t for a couple of years you could then leave and move onto something better. The trouble is that those airlines that once offered richer pastures are either shrinking because of the competition from Ryanair or they are changing their employment terms to resemble those at Ryanair. If you let this guy railroad terms and conditions for another 10 years there will simply be nowhere left worth going that is still hiring.
I don't believe making pilots pay for application screening, sim ride, selection, type ratings, uniforms, water, food, hotels, or required business travel is ethical. I don't believe upsetting people's family life by forcing them to move base every so often or making all your employees contractors in order to avoid the costs of holiday, sick pay and pensions is ethical either. Make no mistake these things are normally offered to those who are employed by reputable and decent organisations and all of them can be yours if you join together collectively in a union.
The only person with anything to fear from unionisation should be Michael O'Leary. You can shaft one pilot but you cannot shaft 2000 joined by collective agreement.
I actually think the fact he is a smiling assassin makes him even more deadly. You guys in Ryanair had seriously better get your act together and get union representation, not just for the sake of yourselves but for the sake of the whole industry in Europe. The truth is that many of you thought that by keeping your head down, accepting being treated like sh*t for a couple of years you could then leave and move onto something better. The trouble is that those airlines that once offered richer pastures are either shrinking because of the competition from Ryanair or they are changing their employment terms to resemble those at Ryanair. If you let this guy railroad terms and conditions for another 10 years there will simply be nowhere left worth going that is still hiring.
I don't believe making pilots pay for application screening, sim ride, selection, type ratings, uniforms, water, food, hotels, or required business travel is ethical. I don't believe upsetting people's family life by forcing them to move base every so often or making all your employees contractors in order to avoid the costs of holiday, sick pay and pensions is ethical either. Make no mistake these things are normally offered to those who are employed by reputable and decent organisations and all of them can be yours if you join together collectively in a union.
The only person with anything to fear from unionisation should be Michael O'Leary. You can shaft one pilot but you cannot shaft 2000 joined by collective agreement.
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Even less 3000 . . . . the problem comes when 78% of them are contractors, with a high percentage only interested in looking out for #1, that is what always has, and sad to say always will, hamper any progress.
Standing by to be proved wrong. . . . . . . . . . . . (for 10 years now & counting)
Standing by to be proved wrong. . . . . . . . . . . . (for 10 years now & counting)
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Can anybody answer me this - I was told by one of the RYR F/O's the other day that the new Storm McGinley contract incorporates a clause that makes pilots financially responsible for any downroute fines, for example extended use of APU's...if so, I'm astonished...if anyone takes up such a contract, then I've also met the pilot that I WOULDN'T support. Any truth in it?
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Apathy is the main problem hampering progress. People are scared for their lives. The 'I don't want to be the guinea pig shouting for change' brigade. This group is large - most pilots in the company.
Ryanair have very cleverly over the years instilled the 'policy' of immediate base closures should union recognition be voted in. They have convinced grown men of this policy via propaganda in pigeon holes and management base visits.This creates division. Enough division so unity is almost impossible.
What if all the bases had a ballot? If 4 vote yes and everyone else votes no,then what? People fear Ryanair will shut up shop and move elsewhere to 'punish' the 4 yes bases.
I know its mind boggling that people are so intimidated. Almost hard to believe but this is the reality.
Ryanair have very cleverly over the years instilled the 'policy' of immediate base closures should union recognition be voted in. They have convinced grown men of this policy via propaganda in pigeon holes and management base visits.This creates division. Enough division so unity is almost impossible.
What if all the bases had a ballot? If 4 vote yes and everyone else votes no,then what? People fear Ryanair will shut up shop and move elsewhere to 'punish' the 4 yes bases.
I know its mind boggling that people are so intimidated. Almost hard to believe but this is the reality.
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after watching the whole interview on Irish Television, at the start he commended the pilots, (of course - a gesture made due to the reported on-going pilot shortage within the company), but back to his usual rant and showed his contempt towards these safety critical employees.
Inferring pilots are simply just Glorified Taxi Drivers? what an insult !!
if anyone is a glorified taxi driver, it is the person who purchases a taxi plate in order to beats Dublin traffic on his way to work>,Smart maybe, but Michael, if anyone is a Taxi driver, it is you !, oh of course not, Michael O'Leary CEO of Ryanair, simply bought the taxi plate and gets someone else to drive him....
Michael O Learys claim that Pilots work 18 hours a week ? ....RYR pilots working busy summer months, if this were true, 2 days into their 5 day rostered week, pilots would be simply walk off the job, and leave aircraft stranded at out stations....
going on Irish Public Television and making such an inaccurate statement, will only increase workforce contempt towards the company and management, a company who are at this time, desperately trying to solve upcoming staff shortage issues for the summer. These off the cuff remarks made by their CEO on public television certainly does not help the situation....
Inferring pilots are simply just Glorified Taxi Drivers? what an insult !!
if anyone is a glorified taxi driver, it is the person who purchases a taxi plate in order to beats Dublin traffic on his way to work>,Smart maybe, but Michael, if anyone is a Taxi driver, it is you !, oh of course not, Michael O'Leary CEO of Ryanair, simply bought the taxi plate and gets someone else to drive him....
Michael O Learys claim that Pilots work 18 hours a week ? ....RYR pilots working busy summer months, if this were true, 2 days into their 5 day rostered week, pilots would be simply walk off the job, and leave aircraft stranded at out stations....
going on Irish Public Television and making such an inaccurate statement, will only increase workforce contempt towards the company and management, a company who are at this time, desperately trying to solve upcoming staff shortage issues for the summer. These off the cuff remarks made by their CEO on public television certainly does not help the situation....
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Its all very frustrating - constant inaccuracies bounded around.
Most of the viewers do not know the slightest thing about aviation.Unfortunately in Ireland MOL is lauded as a saviour and held in high esteem amongst the public because he slags off our incompetent politicians constantly. His ryanair propaganda photo shoots are 'gas' and a 'great laugh'. People honestly believe every word he says.Thats why he gets away with being such a fool.By in large only people with aviation knowledge know he is a liar and bull****ter.
Now ill get constant questions from people regarding my amazing roster and lack of work each week. Ill be labeled a dosser on an 'easy number' getting 'amazing' pay ( but sadly 30% behind competitors. The net money is very weak after accountants,bank transfer fees and all the things that should be provided like STBY pay,holiday pay,sick pay,medicals,uniform,LOL,hotel and accommodation at the sim twice a year,even the 2 sims are at least 3500 euro a year taken from your pay,significant petrol costs when you are rostered on a ground transport day in order to position to a base or sim centre and unpaid SEP days,winter ops days,changes to procedures days etc etc etc !)
The amount of times people say (seriously without a hint of irony or joking) :
'So when are the toilets being removed?'
'When can I stand for a fiver?'
'When are you becoming the pilot?' (people presume co pilots are not pilots ,do nothing at all of value and they are similar to cabin crew,who can easily assist the pilot instead because O'leary says so)
Its all getting very tiresome,embarrassing and expensive ( the longer you stay under the Brookfield spell the worse your career becomes versus similar colleagues building seniority elsewhere in proper jobs). Cant wait to leave.
Most of the viewers do not know the slightest thing about aviation.Unfortunately in Ireland MOL is lauded as a saviour and held in high esteem amongst the public because he slags off our incompetent politicians constantly. His ryanair propaganda photo shoots are 'gas' and a 'great laugh'. People honestly believe every word he says.Thats why he gets away with being such a fool.By in large only people with aviation knowledge know he is a liar and bull****ter.
Now ill get constant questions from people regarding my amazing roster and lack of work each week. Ill be labeled a dosser on an 'easy number' getting 'amazing' pay ( but sadly 30% behind competitors. The net money is very weak after accountants,bank transfer fees and all the things that should be provided like STBY pay,holiday pay,sick pay,medicals,uniform,LOL,hotel and accommodation at the sim twice a year,even the 2 sims are at least 3500 euro a year taken from your pay,significant petrol costs when you are rostered on a ground transport day in order to position to a base or sim centre and unpaid SEP days,winter ops days,changes to procedures days etc etc etc !)
The amount of times people say (seriously without a hint of irony or joking) :
'So when are the toilets being removed?'
'When can I stand for a fiver?'
'When are you becoming the pilot?' (people presume co pilots are not pilots ,do nothing at all of value and they are similar to cabin crew,who can easily assist the pilot instead because O'leary says so)
Its all getting very tiresome,embarrassing and expensive ( the longer you stay under the Brookfield spell the worse your career becomes versus similar colleagues building seniority elsewhere in proper jobs). Cant wait to leave.
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Now ill get constant questions from people regarding my amazing roster and lack of work each week. Ill be labeled a dosser on an 'easy number' getting 'amazing' pay ( but sadly 30% behind competitors. The net money is very weak after accountants,bank transfer fees and all the things that should be provided like STBY pay,holiday pay,sick pay,medicals,uniform,LOL,hotel and accommodation at the sim twice a year,even the 2 sims are at least 3500 euro a year taken from your pay,significant petrol costs when you are rostered on a ground transport day in order to position to a base or sim centre and unpaid SEP days,winter ops days,changes to procedures days etc etc etc !)
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From a business and shareholder point of view Ryanair are a huge success story. MOL is a shrewd businessman who capitalises on opportunities in order to cut costs and expand the airline ( hiring redundant pilots,going to distressed airports and the now famous cheap boeing deal )
There are 2 ways of doing business. Ethically - following specific codes of ethics and unethically. Ryanair are morally bankrupt and unethical. They treat passengers disgracefully,staff with impunity(cabin crew destitute on unpaid leave around xmas for between 1 and 3 months - in contrast easyjet get champagne and a 2 week bonus ) and airports aggressively. I'm all for cutting operational costs(hedging,fx,bag charges,bulk buying etc ) but their is a limit on the staff side of things. If you go too far - people will vote with their feet and you create a whole new set of problems. 75% of Ryanair pilots are now contractors. This is to cut the cost base but also to bust the unions.Very dangerous having such an disloyal workforce who will walk out instantly and not think twice about it.
Ryanair is a fantastic BUSINESS but an awful AIRLINE. In the most recent annual report it specifies that the average length of service of a pilot in the organisation is only 5 years and average age of early thirties. Says it all really. The attrition rate is definitely near or above 10% now. What goes around comes around
There are 2 ways of doing business. Ethically - following specific codes of ethics and unethically. Ryanair are morally bankrupt and unethical. They treat passengers disgracefully,staff with impunity(cabin crew destitute on unpaid leave around xmas for between 1 and 3 months - in contrast easyjet get champagne and a 2 week bonus ) and airports aggressively. I'm all for cutting operational costs(hedging,fx,bag charges,bulk buying etc ) but their is a limit on the staff side of things. If you go too far - people will vote with their feet and you create a whole new set of problems. 75% of Ryanair pilots are now contractors. This is to cut the cost base but also to bust the unions.Very dangerous having such an disloyal workforce who will walk out instantly and not think twice about it.
Ryanair is a fantastic BUSINESS but an awful AIRLINE. In the most recent annual report it specifies that the average length of service of a pilot in the organisation is only 5 years and average age of early thirties. Says it all really. The attrition rate is definitely near or above 10% now. What goes around comes around
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Ryr will run out of pilots very soon.Staying in Europe is just not the place to be aviation wise.Chinese are paying double what that Irish 
is and feeds,gives uniforms,paid sim,well treated and above all respected pilots.I moved here 8 years ago and have never looked back.We have a few ex Ryr pilots and the hatred they have towards MOL is very real.I know be professes not to care but how sad to see what Herb did and completely .... it up.Hundreds of pilots resigning every year as opposed to a handful at Southwest.
is and feeds,gives uniforms,paid sim,well treated and above all respected pilots.I moved here 8 years ago and have never looked back.We have a few ex Ryr pilots and the hatred they have towards MOL is very real.I know be professes not to care but how sad to see what Herb did and completely .... it up.Hundreds of pilots resigning every year as opposed to a handful at Southwest.
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Not in my opinion, N.Orange. Your worst day at Ryanair would be far better than your best day at most airlines in China. Before any Ryanair pilots pack their bags, search this website re Chinese airlines and the agencies that represent them. You may be jumping out of the pot into the wok!
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Frankly MO'L's comments regarding his pilot employees are never worth the "column inches" they propagate on Pprune. Clearly pilots are a commodity,the cost of which he intends to suppress to the greatest degree possible for as long as possible by any means available including underselling their abilities, work ethic and importance to a safe industry. Don't take it personally, he certainly doesn't. Bottom line is that he is a good businessman but a very bad boss. Shame.