AIR INDIA looking for EXPAT TRE, TRI and Line Captains
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AIR INDIA looking for EXPAT TRE, TRI and Line Captains
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Yes and don't forget to mention, the new local rule of two extra medical examinations per year. These will be conducted by the Indian Air Force, (on top of your own license medical) and being jabbed with a needle twice per year in less than hygienic conditions. 
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From: negative RAIM.....
Here they go again..... Taking this contract from a despicably corrupt airline via a useless, spineless and deceitful agency is asking for exactly what you will receive.
There are enough testimonies on this forum from expats who have worked in these advertised positions that must raise alarm bells in anyone's head.
Your contract is worthless and laughed at as it suits. You will be a cruise relief Capt behind local guys who would not hold a CPL in most other countries. SOP's and little things like CRM or Areas of Responsibility are unknown and unwanted facets in AI's culture.
If you are even considering it for reasons of your own then at the very least get in contact with expat pilots at AI now. Speak with them and then perhaps make a decision. Do not listen to agencies or the airline: unsafe, dangerous, liars, thieves and cheats. Speak to those actually doing it and living in that hell hole of an airline.
These fools have a long history of signing contracts, pilots getting to Mumbai, waiting around for weeks / months then being told they are not wanted or welcomed due a change of policy and NO SALARY paid because you are deemed "unavailable to fly" since you did not receive a FATA or medical clearance as yet. Support from the agency" HA! There's a joke. Rules and policy change at random to line someone's pocket somewhere. There is far too much evidence already.
I sincerely hope no one is in a position to ever need to be aboard at AI aircraft.
There are enough testimonies on this forum from expats who have worked in these advertised positions that must raise alarm bells in anyone's head.
Your contract is worthless and laughed at as it suits. You will be a cruise relief Capt behind local guys who would not hold a CPL in most other countries. SOP's and little things like CRM or Areas of Responsibility are unknown and unwanted facets in AI's culture.
If you are even considering it for reasons of your own then at the very least get in contact with expat pilots at AI now. Speak with them and then perhaps make a decision. Do not listen to agencies or the airline: unsafe, dangerous, liars, thieves and cheats. Speak to those actually doing it and living in that hell hole of an airline.
These fools have a long history of signing contracts, pilots getting to Mumbai, waiting around for weeks / months then being told they are not wanted or welcomed due a change of policy and NO SALARY paid because you are deemed "unavailable to fly" since you did not receive a FATA or medical clearance as yet. Support from the agency" HA! There's a joke. Rules and policy change at random to line someone's pocket somewhere. There is far too much evidence already.
I sincerely hope no one is in a position to ever need to be aboard at AI aircraft.
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From: FUBAR
The thing that constantly amazes me about this whole situation is that they have (Jet/Air India Express) on average about a dozen ads a day via myriad agencies on flightglobal.com
Does nobody have the common-sense to see that perhaps, just perhaps, nobody really finds 8 weeks on 2 weeks off (or the alternative offered by one agency of 10 weeks on/ 3 off) any bloody use ? ?
A bit like Turkish Airlines this last couple of years, with 7 days off a month,no more than 2 consecutive. . . Err, no thanks
Does nobody have the common-sense to see that perhaps, just perhaps, nobody really finds 8 weeks on 2 weeks off (or the alternative offered by one agency of 10 weeks on/ 3 off) any bloody use ? ?
A bit like Turkish Airlines this last couple of years, with 7 days off a month,no more than 2 consecutive. . . Err, no thanks
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Time off
.... and the 9 days off per month deal is better you think? you may get a bit more off but the price you "pay" for that is confidential reportings system, surprise line checkīs and belitteling from Office clerks. Good luck.
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Fly safe and land happy
NG
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I didn't even know about any 9 day-off deal, didn't read their ad , as not interested.
Nope, merely commenting that they seem to have failed to correlate the fact they can't get anyone, with the fact you are required to spend 8-10 weeks away from home sitting in the cockpit/toilet alternately before receiving (whoopee! ) 2-3 weeks off.
For me , doesn't add up,& given their ongoing unfulfilled needs, it seems I am not alone in holding this opinion.
Edited to say- I missed the fact we are now talking about Korean ? ?
Think the 9 consecutive days off a monthh would be OK, but the 21 days braindead in the hotel 
been there done that. On top of that you have to sit in the back of a widebody twice a month to get to&from home,hoping that if you have a local Capt ,he paid attention to all the findings of their audit those few years ago. Again, no thanks.
Nope, merely commenting that they seem to have failed to correlate the fact they can't get anyone, with the fact you are required to spend 8-10 weeks away from home sitting in the cockpit/toilet alternately before receiving (whoopee! ) 2-3 weeks off.
For me , doesn't add up,& given their ongoing unfulfilled needs, it seems I am not alone in holding this opinion.
Edited to say- I missed the fact we are now talking about Korean ? ?
Think the 9 consecutive days off a monthh would be OK, but the 21 days braindead in the hotel been there done that. On top of that you have to sit in the back of a widebody twice a month to get to&from home,hoping that if you have a local Capt ,he paid attention to all the findings of their audit those few years ago. Again, no thanks.
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Correct! 9 days off per month is the carrot they give to have you sign for the contract. From there on you have to put up with discrimination, having to play a stupid game as everybody says, but at the end of the day you are left with a frustrating enviroment, having to stay at the 5* prison day in day out (especially on the 737) and being left with a job that creates a lot of stress, and makes flying no fun at all. Not to mention the horrible attitude Korean Union pilots have against expats and the way they pretend to be friendly. Perhaps in India is not like that, and you dont feel the stress one feels in Korea. Having been there I would definetely not recommend KAL to anyone, and I wish I have believed the posts about KAL.
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Yes indeed I was refering to KAL, that is the one with the 9 dayīs off deal.
All of them somehow joined the "Failing Club", fail to recruit sufficient numbers. Fail to keep sufficient numbers and failed several times to grab the excistent opportunity to get the track.
I am sorry Vanios that you went thru the Korean hardship, I am sure you agree that the postīs are only the tip of the Iceberg. If someone dares to post all facts we would call him a liar and someone who makes it up......
Back to India.... officialy 6 / 2 pattern for B777, reality could be 3 / 1 if you live close to the Destination. Recently the BOM-FRA-JFK-FRA-BOM, with alot of crews staying in central Europe, got canned and it is now mainly BOM-JFK-BOM direct and BOM-FRA-BOM. So beside that rest of the oddīs are still excisting. It is just a matter of time until the fast growing Indian market mushroomes again and the Expats have the "go home stamp" again.....
I remember a ramp check in JFK when the Inspector talked with me about the white and red Airplane accross the tarmac, he would wonder where they locate the Pilots from when the July 2010 passes.... Target remains the same I guess, Inda for Indian Pilots only... just a matter of time when it is voiced again.
At THY you get 3 / 1 for A330/340 and B777 as well but some of the conditon are diffrent. You get employed from the Airline directly. You can become a Union Member from the first day on and you have the option as a European to go home when the schedule shows a suitable gap. The network from IST to Euope is good enough and you can hop on a flight after you arrive in IST. Letīs get some more insight......
Fly safe and land happy
NG
All of them somehow joined the "Failing Club", fail to recruit sufficient numbers. Fail to keep sufficient numbers and failed several times to grab the excistent opportunity to get the track.
I am sorry Vanios that you went thru the Korean hardship, I am sure you agree that the postīs are only the tip of the Iceberg. If someone dares to post all facts we would call him a liar and someone who makes it up......
Back to India.... officialy 6 / 2 pattern for B777, reality could be 3 / 1 if you live close to the Destination. Recently the BOM-FRA-JFK-FRA-BOM, with alot of crews staying in central Europe, got canned and it is now mainly BOM-JFK-BOM direct and BOM-FRA-BOM. So beside that rest of the oddīs are still excisting. It is just a matter of time until the fast growing Indian market mushroomes again and the Expats have the "go home stamp" again.....
I remember a ramp check in JFK when the Inspector talked with me about the white and red Airplane accross the tarmac, he would wonder where they locate the Pilots from when the July 2010 passes.... Target remains the same I guess, Inda for Indian Pilots only... just a matter of time when it is voiced again.
At THY you get 3 / 1 for A330/340 and B777 as well but some of the conditon are diffrent. You get employed from the Airline directly. You can become a Union Member from the first day on and you have the option as a European to go home when the schedule shows a suitable gap. The network from IST to Euope is good enough and you can hop on a flight after you arrive in IST. Letīs get some more insight......
Fly safe and land happy
NG
