Article on VUELING pilots living like gipsies
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I also know of a guy who lived in a tent and later a van while he was at work as he couldn't afford to rent a second place away from his family while he was working.
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Some days ago a friend of mine told me that the guy who posted the story on a spanish forum does not "work" anymore at Vueling (I don't know if "work" is the propper word for a crapy cadet scheme program).
Someone did find out that deepthroat was an insider cadet and the guy went home again (again, i don´t know if home is the propper word to define the place he was living at).
So, that's the new loco wave; maybe worst than a tsunami.
Someone did find out that deepthroat was an insider cadet and the guy went home again (again, i don´t know if home is the propper word to define the place he was living at).
So, that's the new loco wave; maybe worst than a tsunami.
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It is pathetic that Vueling management does not understand that experienced pilots help a safer airline. They have no idea what a Safety Culture is and couldnt care less just want their fat bonus check.
These pilots who accept these conditions make it difficult for us all.
But now I heard that some cadets have children to support with mortgages to pay and cannot pay their mortgage. The bank knocking on the door.
Financial stress does not help when these guys fly.
A few of these so called cadets actually have experience.
Going into debt while having the responsability of a A-320 in an incapacitation.
These pilots who accept these conditions make it difficult for us all.
But now I heard that some cadets have children to support with mortgages to pay and cannot pay their mortgage. The bank knocking on the door.
Financial stress does not help when these guys fly.
A few of these so called cadets actually have experience.
Going into debt while having the responsability of a A-320 in an incapacitation.
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Unemployed pilots are not guilty
Hi All,
A friend of mine told me that there are almost 5.000.000 unemployed people in Spain, which means 21 % of population. The highest figure in Europe.
I think that employer take advantage of that situation and nowadays to get a good salary is impossible in the spanish aviation industry as a pilot. Besides, if you want to get a job you have to pay your T.R.
In addition to this, Vueling Captains increased their salarys thanks to the Cadet Program and they were supported by trade union called S.E.P.L.A (Sindicato Español de Pilotos de Líneas Aéreas). Its a bad environment.
Do you think that there is an employee (at Vueling) who has a guilty conscience? Come on ¡¡
The employees: Captains, First officer, Cabin Crew, Maintance, administrator...etc, do not want to be a figure of that number 5.000.000 (Unemploed people)
I´m afraid that Spain will be following the steps of Greece, Ireland & Portugal.
A friend of mine told me that there are almost 5.000.000 unemployed people in Spain, which means 21 % of population. The highest figure in Europe.
I think that employer take advantage of that situation and nowadays to get a good salary is impossible in the spanish aviation industry as a pilot. Besides, if you want to get a job you have to pay your T.R.
In addition to this, Vueling Captains increased their salarys thanks to the Cadet Program and they were supported by trade union called S.E.P.L.A (Sindicato Español de Pilotos de Líneas Aéreas). Its a bad environment.
Do you think that there is an employee (at Vueling) who has a guilty conscience? Come on ¡¡
The employees: Captains, First officer, Cabin Crew, Maintance, administrator...etc, do not want to be a figure of that number 5.000.000 (Unemploed people)
I´m afraid that Spain will be following the steps of Greece, Ireland & Portugal.
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What twaddle this circular thread is.
No one is obliged to apply, join or stay at Vueling. I fail to understand the arguement in the thread.
If some 'berk' wants to pay a huge 'dowry' and work for 'Pizza delivery boy' wages in order to support 'Joe Publics' cheap air fares. So what??
I am mightly glad that Air Fares are held artificially low due to fools willing to work for nearly nothing.
And, before some 150 hour Cessna 150 driver pipes up; safety is the responsibility of the regulator not the accountant. When did Vueling last have a hull loss?
If folks don't like it; there remains the option to stump up £15K and fly a Jetstream 31 for Eastern out of Humberside. The eastern uniform looks really cool, you'll attract loads of girls!!
No one is obliged to apply, join or stay at Vueling. I fail to understand the arguement in the thread.
If some 'berk' wants to pay a huge 'dowry' and work for 'Pizza delivery boy' wages in order to support 'Joe Publics' cheap air fares. So what??
I am mightly glad that Air Fares are held artificially low due to fools willing to work for nearly nothing.
And, before some 150 hour Cessna 150 driver pipes up; safety is the responsibility of the regulator not the accountant. When did Vueling last have a hull loss?
If folks don't like it; there remains the option to stump up £15K and fly a Jetstream 31 for Eastern out of Humberside. The eastern uniform looks really cool, you'll attract loads of girls!!
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Sorry but I disagree with you.
Vueling Captain salaries were brought closer to European salaries.
Vueling Captains still make less than Easyjet Captains
The money made from the cadet program is going to the managers only, CEO,COO, and director of training, etc, it is going in their pockets in Fat bonuses, all Vueling pilots work hard at low pay compared to European standards.
SEPLA signed its first collective agreement before the cadet program and achieved a signiifcant increase for the Ex clickair FO´s. 20%, vacation pay, sick leave pay, profit bonus,
It is supply and demand and how many pilots want to fly a A-320 with the amount of jobs out there
The trade off for the improvement was the ****ty cadet pay.
SEPLA should have held out for a better deal and a better cadet pay yes and etc,etc. but the pilots voted 75% in favour of that agreement. Yeah they should pressured more at the time, etc.
It is supply and demand and too bad that they had 1000 applications for the positions at that poor pay.
Sorry but I disagree with you.
Vueling Captain salaries were brought closer to European salaries.
Vueling Captains still make less than Easyjet Captains
The money made from the cadet program is going to the managers only, CEO,COO, and director of training, etc, it is going in their pockets in Fat bonuses, all Vueling pilots work hard at low pay compared to European standards.
SEPLA signed its first collective agreement before the cadet program and achieved a signiifcant increase for the Ex clickair FO´s. 20%, vacation pay, sick leave pay, profit bonus,
It is supply and demand and how many pilots want to fly a A-320 with the amount of jobs out there
The trade off for the improvement was the ****ty cadet pay.
SEPLA should have held out for a better deal and a better cadet pay yes and etc,etc. but the pilots voted 75% in favour of that agreement. Yeah they should pressured more at the time, etc.
It is supply and demand and too bad that they had 1000 applications for the positions at that poor pay.
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Vueling level 6 FO base pay 850 euros
Vueling Airlines New Expansion and growth Scenario with Spanair closed puts Vueling in a excellent position in the Spanish market.
The union announced that the proposal to reduce the time that vueling pilots spend remain level 6 Fo pay ( lowest pay level ) and level 4 Captain pay levels had been flatly refused.
The union also announced that the company has not been respecting many partes of its collective agreement.
One of the areas where Vueling is not complying with its collective agreement according to union reps who declared in a general meeting yesterday, is temporary contracts. The collective agreement clearly states that Vueling should hire principally full time pilots with fixed contracts, meanwhile
It is hiring all on temporary contracts which make it very easy to fire pilots and makes sure they colloborate when needed. When this was announced according to the union reps, the chief operating officer stood up and walked away from the negotiating table. This appears to be a provocation according the union delegates stated yesterday.
The union is being provoked and pushed into a future conflict by this new management.
The union representatives stated that many areas of the collective agreement that are not being respected will now go to court.
Vueling is in a big exansion phase at the moment.
Growth of 15 to 20 percent this year correct me if I am wrong.
The Vueling pilot union announced yesterday that it made a proposal to reduce the time
The union announced that the proposal to reduce the time that vueling pilots spend remain level 6 Fo pay ( lowest pay level ) and level 4 Captain pay levels had been flatly refused.
The union also announced that the company has not been respecting many partes of its collective agreement.
One of the areas where Vueling is not complying with its collective agreement according to union reps who declared in a general meeting yesterday, is temporary contracts. The collective agreement clearly states that Vueling should hire principally full time pilots with fixed contracts, meanwhile
It is hiring all on temporary contracts which make it very easy to fire pilots and makes sure they colloborate when needed. When this was announced according to the union reps, the chief operating officer stood up and walked away from the negotiating table. This appears to be a provocation according the union delegates stated yesterday.
The union is being provoked and pushed into a future conflict by this new management.
The union representatives stated that many areas of the collective agreement that are not being respected will now go to court.
Vueling is in a big exansion phase at the moment.
Growth of 15 to 20 percent this year correct me if I am wrong.
The Vueling pilot union announced yesterday that it made a proposal to reduce the time
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Vueling expansion
with Vueling's rapid expansion ( more revenue ) it reduced the number of days off of many pilots without consulting with the Sepla Vueling pilot union.
With the New scenario of operation and growth Vueling managemen feels free to change certain areas of its collective agreement while other areas is does not want to change.
The union needs to be tougher and take more action and now it appears ready to do so.
Even so True with the fuel price increase this it will affect the margins of all airlines.
With the example of Air France pilots need to stand up and be counted as it is the pilots who can make or break an airline.
vueling is punctual because pilots a make a extra effort every turnaround.
By provoking the Sepla Vueling pilot union it could be that Vueling managment
Is pushing Sepla Vueling closer to Sepla Iberia something that is very dangerous. ?
With the New scenario of operation and growth Vueling managemen feels free to change certain areas of its collective agreement while other areas is does not want to change.
The union needs to be tougher and take more action and now it appears ready to do so.
Even so True with the fuel price increase this it will affect the margins of all airlines.
With the example of Air France pilots need to stand up and be counted as it is the pilots who can make or break an airline.
vueling is punctual because pilots a make a extra effort every turnaround.
By provoking the Sepla Vueling pilot union it could be that Vueling managment
Is pushing Sepla Vueling closer to Sepla Iberia something that is very dangerous. ?
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Sepla iberia and Sepla Vueling
Microburst,
is a Sepla Iberia and Sepla Vueling agreement possible ?
The new attitude and hardline military stlye of Vueling's new Chief Operating officer appears to be pushing the Sepla Vueling to a hard place. Sadly this new COO is pushing the independant Sepla Vueling union closer to Sepla Iberia, with this draconian style. The complete opposite of Vueling management wants And not in the best interest of Vueling shareholders.
A seniority agreement between Sepla Iberia and Sepla Vueling is extremely complicated and difficult. It was a error of Sepla Iberia not trying harder to adapt to the 2012 situation and coming to a agreement with Vueling's Sepla union, in reference to iberia express. Is it possible yes but only with good negotiating.
is a Sepla Iberia and Sepla Vueling agreement possible ?
The new attitude and hardline military stlye of Vueling's new Chief Operating officer appears to be pushing the Sepla Vueling to a hard place. Sadly this new COO is pushing the independant Sepla Vueling union closer to Sepla Iberia, with this draconian style. The complete opposite of Vueling management wants And not in the best interest of Vueling shareholders.
A seniority agreement between Sepla Iberia and Sepla Vueling is extremely complicated and difficult. It was a error of Sepla Iberia not trying harder to adapt to the 2012 situation and coming to a agreement with Vueling's Sepla union, in reference to iberia express. Is it possible yes but only with good negotiating.
