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Transport to interview...
Just droping in to leave some food for thought... after all the companies I have worked for transport/accomodation to the selection and interview was always reimbursed and or provided. I have been hired at every selection I have attended and I have been paid for the transport/accomodation, time and meals for the time I was investing in getting the job, training for the position, and operating the equipment... I would expect nothing more or less.
A company that is worth its weight should provide such things.
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A company that is worth its weight should provide such things.
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DHC6to8... you never said if you were a pilot flying for an airline though? I know plenty of lawyers, finance people etc who would automatically think likewise. If you are a pilot then fair play - you're obviously getting the best deals out there and are probably in demand.
also depends what perspective your viewing things from... if
a captain with thousands of hours and you can pick and choose the airlines you want to work for and interviews you want to go to, then by all means you can expect the best.
if a young low hours pilot looking for your first job, then you may just have to take what you can get, if the treatment is less lucrative.
also depends what perspective your viewing things from... if
a captain with thousands of hours and you can pick and choose the airlines you want to work for and interviews you want to go to, then by all means you can expect the best.
if a young low hours pilot looking for your first job, then you may just have to take what you can get, if the treatment is less lucrative.
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Overnights
Hi
A quick question :-
If you do an overnight do you get an allowance for food and if so how much is the allowance for and what is it supposed to cover. (please dont say the allowance is the £1.90 p/h)
Thanks
A quick question :-
If you do an overnight do you get an allowance for food and if so how much is the allowance for and what is it supposed to cover. (please dont say the allowance is the £1.90 p/h)
Thanks
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You are both foreign pilots I take it, and the examples you give are for jobs in countries where they have to expand their search overseas and expect potential pilots to move into the counrty of operation.
With all due respect, BACF is a UK operator, and there are more than enough UK based pilots (not necessarily British before you scream) looking for jobs.
Give me one example of a UK airline that pays for transport to interview?
Luftansa Italia, Air Baltic, Middle eastern airlines etc all pay for your transport because they cannot fill their positions locally.
With all due respect, BACF is a UK operator, and there are more than enough UK based pilots (not necessarily British before you scream) looking for jobs.
Give me one example of a UK airline that pays for transport to interview?
Luftansa Italia, Air Baltic, Middle eastern airlines etc all pay for your transport because they cannot fill their positions locally.
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Good points chaps
I am a 100% fully employed bloke (left seat) and looking for a ticket back to the family roots in the UK....
Banannaman2... it should not matter if I am employed and experienced or a green horn... I believe that everybody should be treated fairly and with respect. Yes, I have walked away from offers from both contracts and companies because I know what I am worth and what my skill set is valued at in the market - and I did not feel that I was being valued by these companies/contractors.
I also have faired well by respecting the first and second officers I have had the pleasure of working with.... we are all valuable and a part of a greater team... some of the best Captains I worked with as a green horn treated me as an equal and demanded that the company also respect and treat all crew with the same value as a seasoned veteran. I promised to carry this over when I went left seat so many years ago. Regardless if you are starting out or have been in the industry for years, you are a valued member of a greater team that is entrusted with the lives of people on a daily basis - in the end we are all on teh same team regardless of what company we work for!Good constructive collective bargaining should hold this important attitude to promote and support all ranks equally. I have had a 250 hour first officer rescue my arse on a bad day just as efficiently and effectively as a senior training captain.... so, if you are invited to the BACF interview and selection, carry yourself well, remember what you are worth and don't under any circumstances sell yourself for less.There are limits of pay and benefits that accompany your first entrance into the industry and that is to be expected, but don't allow yourself to be crushed under the weight of indignity or prostitution. We are competing amongst ourselves for the available jobs... and I say, may the best man win. Win like a gentlemen and if you lose this round... keep at it and be a good sport. Companies today are looking for good team members and sports, not individualists who are hell bent on the satisfaction of the ego/self.
Some thread drift here so please excuse my ramblings...I wish all who applied for BACF the very best for your selections and interviews! May the best man win!
Cheers,
6ot8
Banannaman2... it should not matter if I am employed and experienced or a green horn... I believe that everybody should be treated fairly and with respect. Yes, I have walked away from offers from both contracts and companies because I know what I am worth and what my skill set is valued at in the market - and I did not feel that I was being valued by these companies/contractors.
I also have faired well by respecting the first and second officers I have had the pleasure of working with.... we are all valuable and a part of a greater team... some of the best Captains I worked with as a green horn treated me as an equal and demanded that the company also respect and treat all crew with the same value as a seasoned veteran. I promised to carry this over when I went left seat so many years ago. Regardless if you are starting out or have been in the industry for years, you are a valued member of a greater team that is entrusted with the lives of people on a daily basis - in the end we are all on teh same team regardless of what company we work for!Good constructive collective bargaining should hold this important attitude to promote and support all ranks equally. I have had a 250 hour first officer rescue my arse on a bad day just as efficiently and effectively as a senior training captain.... so, if you are invited to the BACF interview and selection, carry yourself well, remember what you are worth and don't under any circumstances sell yourself for less.There are limits of pay and benefits that accompany your first entrance into the industry and that is to be expected, but don't allow yourself to be crushed under the weight of indignity or prostitution. We are competing amongst ourselves for the available jobs... and I say, may the best man win. Win like a gentlemen and if you lose this round... keep at it and be a good sport. Companies today are looking for good team members and sports, not individualists who are hell bent on the satisfaction of the ego/self.
Some thread drift here so please excuse my ramblings...I wish all who applied for BACF the very best for your selections and interviews! May the best man win!
Cheers,
6ot8
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I think that jobs is as simple as one employer which offer something and an employee who accepts terms. Everyone has his own reasons to accept or not, and nobody should judge this point. (i'm not talking about P2F) So if someone wants to pay transport and hotel for assessment is his own business, or when you spent fuc.... lot of money to become pilot was not a risk.
Again, has anyone been called for assessment?
i'm still waiting, maybe forever...
cheers.
Again, has anyone been called for assessment?
i'm still waiting, maybe forever...cheers.
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"To be fair at least they will be providing hotel. I believe its £3 train to didsbury from airport so not going to bankrupt anyone"
Not really the point though is it, it's the principle.
Not really the point though is it, it's the principle.
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Agreed Atreyu, my point was its not quite the same as paying for other more substantial costs. £3 a day isn't too much to pay up front when you can claim it back.
Sidney_young - we had a crossed post, I was not questioning your nationality! To answer your question, no food allowance, the 1.90 per hour duty pay covers substinence etc.
I work for an airline that doesn't pay duty pay and requires receipts for food consumed on night stops to a limit that barely buys you a cheese sandwich - I'd like to know where these ideas are coming from.... Not a UK regional airline for sure.
Sidney_young - we had a crossed post, I was not questioning your nationality! To answer your question, no food allowance, the 1.90 per hour duty pay covers substinence etc.
I work for an airline that doesn't pay duty pay and requires receipts for food consumed on night stops to a limit that barely buys you a cheese sandwich - I'd like to know where these ideas are coming from.... Not a UK regional airline for sure.
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@ sidney_young. All you get is 1.90hr before tax, no food allowance. When on first flight of the day checkin times you don't get breakfast in the hotels anymore simpy because you leave before that starts. The hotels will provide a simple coffee/tea/croissant service usually. Also no vouchers to cover yourself with a hot meal the night before in that case.
If you are on any later flight you do get breakfast. Also always discounts etc.
If you are on any later flight you do get breakfast. Also always discounts etc.
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Thanks for your responses DutchBird-757 and justanotherstat.
With regards to Captain Widebody you are for want of a better word a "Plonker".
I have read through these forums and tried to find out as much as I can and was not sure about subsistence.
Believe it or some company's do pay subsistence costs which will cover more then a cheese and pickle sandwich!
I come to work to make money and I don't fancy dipping into my pocket to pay for food especially when I am not at home. In my opinion, I think the Company has a moral obligation to ensure that you stay in a safe clean hotel, and you have enough money to buy more then a McDonalds I dont consider these perks I consider it a necessity !
At my present company we get E70 per day tax free - and it don't go that far by the time you have paid for breakfast, had a couple of coffees and an evening meal.
This is why I wanted to clarify this point, which DutchBird-757 and justanotherstat have kindly answered.
It's people like you who bury their head in the sandpit who are driving our terms and conditions down in this industry Ill just turn the other cheek shell I!
Is subsistence going to really change my mind not in isolation, but I want to have an idea what the whole package is. I can then make an informed decision.
One final word Cheche asks a perfectly acceptable question regarding has anyone been called for assessment why make a stupid comment about it the guy or girl is only showing a bit of enthusiasm!
With regards to Captain Widebody you are for want of a better word a "Plonker".
I have read through these forums and tried to find out as much as I can and was not sure about subsistence.
Believe it or some company's do pay subsistence costs which will cover more then a cheese and pickle sandwich!
I come to work to make money and I don't fancy dipping into my pocket to pay for food especially when I am not at home. In my opinion, I think the Company has a moral obligation to ensure that you stay in a safe clean hotel, and you have enough money to buy more then a McDonalds I dont consider these perks I consider it a necessity !
At my present company we get E70 per day tax free - and it don't go that far by the time you have paid for breakfast, had a couple of coffees and an evening meal.
This is why I wanted to clarify this point, which DutchBird-757 and justanotherstat have kindly answered.
It's people like you who bury their head in the sandpit who are driving our terms and conditions down in this industry Ill just turn the other cheek shell I!
Is subsistence going to really change my mind not in isolation, but I want to have an idea what the whole package is. I can then make an informed decision.
One final word Cheche asks a perfectly acceptable question regarding has anyone been called for assessment why make a stupid comment about it the guy or girl is only showing a bit of enthusiasm!
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Anybody know how many FO's are to be hired given the delivery of 3 E190SR's on 14th Nov? The advert seemed to indicate that those with no airline experience could get a look-in, if so - have they recently taken on any GA instructors, jump pilots, with hours etc? Or are they more keen on the low houred, fresh outa Oxford chaps and chappesses?
Many thanks,
VFE.
Many thanks,
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Just to Clarify the duty pay. We get 1.90 / hour whilst on duty.Do a 5 day tour and you will get about £200 pre tax. This is to cover expenses while at work. We are given meals at work whilst at work. If they are not available then you can claim a meal allowance via expenses. Hotels are clean and normally to a high standard. Breakfast is included in hotel rates unless you report on an early and then breakfast is provided on board. Most hotels give a voucher for breakfast so if you don`t want breakfast you can use it for something else normally to a value of about 10 euros. The tax paid on our duty pay is controlled by HMRC and is based on us collecting receipts to justify our expenditure. This did not happen at the last audit so we now pay more tax 
. We have requested another audit. Its not all bad if you take duty pay for what it is. You will make more money from disruption payments if your happy to be changed around and be flexible.
Last time i was at Manchester we had the choice of train or hire car. I used the car and claimed back the fuel, This was paid in a very short time. I do believe that parking has now been restricted hence the train. When at Gatwick for training, hire car or taxi offered.
. We have requested another audit. Its not all bad if you take duty pay for what it is. You will make more money from disruption payments if your happy to be changed around and be flexible.Last time i was at Manchester we had the choice of train or hire car. I used the car and claimed back the fuel, This was paid in a very short time. I do believe that parking has now been restricted hence the train. When at Gatwick for training, hire car or taxi offered.
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dhc83driver thanks for your response - I have a better idea how subsistence works in your company.
Captain Widebody - you will probably find that that what I am after in a job is probably not to dissimilar from what you want or for that matter any other person who applies for a job.
From reading through this thread, the crews get on and routes seem quite interesting - the only thing I could not really gleam from the thread was about subsistence costs - hence the post.
My statement about you reducing terms and conditions might have been a little OTT- but I did not like how you inferred my question that I posted was kind of trivia.
Anyway good luck for all those who applied
Captain Widebody - you will probably find that that what I am after in a job is probably not to dissimilar from what you want or for that matter any other person who applies for a job.
From reading through this thread, the crews get on and routes seem quite interesting - the only thing I could not really gleam from the thread was about subsistence costs - hence the post.
My statement about you reducing terms and conditions might have been a little OTT- but I did not like how you inferred my question that I posted was kind of trivia.
Anyway good luck for all those who applied
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we operate the 170-100 std and a special 190SR (short runway) Its the light airframe with the big engines and only 98 seats (means lots of room for pax and a really nice cabin). We have nearly all the options that don`t weigh to much. We don`t have air stairs, HUD or entertainment pack or cabin laptop power as combined it would add many 1000kgs to the aircraft. We do have autobrake, Cat 3a autoland, acars and a few other things to make day to day ops easier. The operation is still relatively new so lots of good things to come in the future. Very nice aircraft to operate and some nice routes. Flying into LCY is always fun.
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Captain Widebody - perhaps it is you who has the wrong motivation? In the same thread you accuse those forced into paying for TRs as ruining your T&Cs but then criticise Sydney for trying to protect his.
You can't have your cheese sandwich and eat it you know...
You can't have your cheese sandwich and eat it you know...
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Hi , I am new on the thread, but I would like to ask if anyone knows something about BA Cityflyer selection ...
I am invited for a selection day between 8 and 11 of nov.
I did not expected it and now I have to hurry up to prepare myself...
Please Help...
I am invited for a selection day between 8 and 11 of nov.
I did not expected it and now I have to hurry up to prepare myself...
Please Help...
