Ryanair recruitment propoganda?
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Ryanair recruitment propoganda?
So a memo regarding recruitment from managment states 18 resignations & no need for OCC courses?
I've heard up to 200 resignations since May & OCC courses cancelled as there are no DE Capt's???
So who is telling the porkies.........
I've heard up to 200 resignations since May & OCC courses cancelled as there are no DE Capt's???
So who is telling the porkies.........
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The later is probably closer to the truth than the former, especially concerning DECs. In terms of resignations, no one really knows. I too have heard a variety of speculations. One thing for sure, the memo and the base visits spell out something. There is more potential for people to leave.
Think to yourself, when do we really only get memos from management? Only when they are concerned about what we are doing. The Balpa recognition campaign, upping sticks and ******* off....I'm sure there are more instances?
Think to yourself, when do we really only get memos from management? Only when they are concerned about what we are doing. The Balpa recognition campaign, upping sticks and ******* off....I'm sure there are more instances?
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That memo made me smile
It must be all our fully crewed bases need more heads after everyone hurting themselves falling over from laughing so hard at that memo
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From PB's memo
Maybe, but how many co-pilots will there be in the pool and for how much longer ?
You might find the "current pool" has emptied out a bit by next year .......
"the vast majority of Captain positions are planned from the current pool of co-pilots,with very limited external recruitment"
You might find the "current pool" has emptied out a bit by next year .......
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Emirates Pilot Recruitment Roadshows In Uk.
20th Sept Gatwick
21st Sept Stanstead
22nd Sept Stanstead
23rd Sept Luton
24th Sept Manchester
Starting 10 am and finishing 1300 .
20th Sept Gatwick
21st Sept Stanstead
22nd Sept Stanstead
23rd Sept Luton
24th Sept Manchester
Starting 10 am and finishing 1300 .
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We are taking on WATER, Abandon Ship !
PB, the vast majority of us aren't stupid (can't speak for the minority).
The memo is a clear attempt at propoganda....and it may be effective for some issues, but when dealing with the obvious pilot shortage within Ryanair...closing your eyes, sending a memo, and hoping the problem goes away, well this problem ("impending crisis") will not disappear UNTIL ....
You and your staff sit down, ask the question WHY are people leaving??......the answer is obvious:you are now the victim of your own decisions...market forces are now dictating, no longer is ryanair. pb and those around him need to start listening to their pilots, offer stability, place them near their homes and family.
What FO's are telling me, the current practice of threatening your high houred FO's all to go for command or face the consequences, this strategy is just simply not going to cut it anymore. They are going to WALK! Increasing, I notice many of the FO's I fly with very serious about their career and future, and recognise their own value/worth due to the skills they have. RYR. the time has come, you really have to do more, placing your workforce close to their families and friends, it takes little effort on your part, click of a button and in the long run, for both management and pilots, it has massive benefits.
You will retain your staff, and steady the ship, because at the moment, this ship is SINKING.
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Even if there is a pilot shortage at the moment, they'll be able to catch up through the winter. They've got 4 months of many planes grounded. In this time more SFOs can be upgraded, and as we all know they'll be replaced with the cheaper cadets.
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This RYR is becoming a real tumor in aviation.
Please stay in that "company" all of you!
Let them treat you bad!
NO FRILLS RULES!
Seriously, I am surprised no real actions have taken place in the past.
Isn't it getting time we ban the slavery?
Please stay in that "company" all of you!
Let them treat you bad!
NO FRILLS RULES!
Seriously, I am surprised no real actions have taken place in the past.
Isn't it getting time we ban the slavery?
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In this time more SFOs can be upgraded, and as we all know they'll be replaced with the cheaper cadets.
You can upgrade SFO's (pass rate permitting) but consider also that they will be moved to 5/3 bases somewhere on the other side of Europe on a lower salary sometimes even making less money than F/O's (like in the case of old VS new BRK contract);with the market picking up again not a good recipe for their faithfulness once they have logged a few hundred hours in command.
Another consideration about the winter is that while you upgrade SFO's you are taking flight hours away from others who are already flying less, making ****e $$$ and obviously attending roadshows and interviews.
Extra care should also be taken when talking about Captains because I already know a few who are working on the new reduced terms in a base miles away from anything they consider home and who are actively looking around for options.
PB will have to face reality sooner or later.
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Why, if it is true what is told on here that RYR are short of captains across the network, does RYR insist that you can not have a command at a base of your choice, but have to move. (if it is true) This will disrupt family life if you are unabale to move the whole clan, inflict reduced real rest/recovery time at home, and thus impose social stresses which will be carried to work. There will also be financial penalties incurred. Not a good recipe to sustain a career with a company.
In the NTSB report into the Dash 8 crash of the commuter in USA the FAA concluded that the employer had a duty of consideration as to how the roster and general work practices impacted on the social/work balance of their crews. It was a saftey issue. Surely, imposing a move away from home, unnecessarily, so as to be upgraded, does not follow this guideline and is not best practice. If you refuse the command there are financial penalties; if you accept there will likely be less financial penalties, but sever social ones. This is hardly good for moral and certainly does not follow the CRM guidelines that are thrust down our throats every year. When will airline management apply CRM principles to their attitudes towards crews and stop treating us as 'cost units', 'pieces on a chess board' that are moved around with FTL limits, and recipients of 'mushroom mangement' techniques. It is galling to attend regular refresher days telling us how to behave towards one another and act like a team, then for management to behave 180 degrees opposite. It is a disgraceful indictment of 21st century industrial relations that this is the case. LoCo operations and success does not mean lowlevel respect. Indeed high level repsect and appreciation will likely improve profitability of Loco low fat operations. Will the blind not see?
In the NTSB report into the Dash 8 crash of the commuter in USA the FAA concluded that the employer had a duty of consideration as to how the roster and general work practices impacted on the social/work balance of their crews. It was a saftey issue. Surely, imposing a move away from home, unnecessarily, so as to be upgraded, does not follow this guideline and is not best practice. If you refuse the command there are financial penalties; if you accept there will likely be less financial penalties, but sever social ones. This is hardly good for moral and certainly does not follow the CRM guidelines that are thrust down our throats every year. When will airline management apply CRM principles to their attitudes towards crews and stop treating us as 'cost units', 'pieces on a chess board' that are moved around with FTL limits, and recipients of 'mushroom mangement' techniques. It is galling to attend regular refresher days telling us how to behave towards one another and act like a team, then for management to behave 180 degrees opposite. It is a disgraceful indictment of 21st century industrial relations that this is the case. LoCo operations and success does not mean lowlevel respect. Indeed high level repsect and appreciation will likely improve profitability of Loco low fat operations. Will the blind not see?
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RYR is desperate for CPTs. At my base we all fly up to 100hrs per 28 days regularly. There's guys out there being placed on unpaid leave (BRK) because they're at their maximum hours for the year. Another issue is that more and more FO's are waiting for their command upgrade. There's tons of good guys with a family making good money as FO. Why would they go for a command only to have RYR move them to some ****hole on a 5-3 roster away from wife and kids.
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If FR is that desperate for Captains why they don't accept non type rated Captains? If they start recruiting again direct with the company (insted of Brookfield) maybe they would fill the gap.
If you're a contractor how do you get given unpaid leave? If you don't fly you don't get paid; so what's that about?