Ryanair recruitment propoganda?
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Some SFOs are reluctant to be promoted because they will face a base transfer, with the associated lower pay scales that are lower than their existing FO scales and additional living costs and commuting difficulties. Many have young families, too. Some have told me they have been threatened with base transfers as FOs if they don't pursue commands.
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Why would they go for a command only to have RYR move them to some !!!!hole on a 5-3 roster away from wife and kids.
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I know a FR captain who upgraded fairly recently and was indeed forced to go to a base where he does not want to be, Hes only getting fuzzy promises from PB about getting to the base he wants sometime next year, so now with Jet 2 recruiting, once he has 1000 hours pic (Jet 2 requirement), hes off, and good on him, FR need their ass kicked, if your gonna treat people this way, with the current climate, they gonna **** off to an airline that will help them.
Its such a simple thing to get guys into the bases they want but I genuinely think FR enjoy going "he wants to go to 'A' ok well lets send him to 'B' for a minimum of 12 months"(often 2 years) so Im loving the fact that now guys will put up with 'B' to get their hours then its "seeya"
DDA
Its such a simple thing to get guys into the bases they want but I genuinely think FR enjoy going "he wants to go to 'A' ok well lets send him to 'B' for a minimum of 12 months"(often 2 years) so Im loving the fact that now guys will put up with 'B' to get their hours then its "seeya"
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I can't help but wonder why Belfast's runway, which ha been sufficient for several years of operations, has suddenly been deemed too short and the base is being closed. It couldn't be just to redistribute the pilots to shore up under-crewed bases elsewhere, could it?
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From: every where but nowhere I want to be
Having my month off cancelled and holiday plans ruined I have asked if I could have just a week off in September..... "no crew leave available at any base for FO and CPT we are currently asking people to work their days off."
Have agreed to work additional 6 day weeks to help but all they have done is work me on day off and put me on standby on my schedule working week.... thank you but I'd rather get the 35hrs over 5 days rather than 6 days.
When do I have my months leave?? answer they don't know. So i expect I will find out which month I off when BRK OFF days appear on the bottom of my roster. I find this unacceptable and a further indication that the latest memo from PB about full capacity and only 18 people leaving as rubbish!!!!
Have agreed to work additional 6 day weeks to help but all they have done is work me on day off and put me on standby on my schedule working week.... thank you but I'd rather get the 35hrs over 5 days rather than 6 days.
When do I have my months leave?? answer they don't know. So i expect I will find out which month I off when BRK OFF days appear on the bottom of my roster. I find this unacceptable and a further indication that the latest memo from PB about full capacity and only 18 people leaving as rubbish!!!!
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
Unacceptable...Ryanair....no leave for anyone.....screwed up on the numbers.....it's not rostering, crewing or ops who will suffer. You will pick up the slack for management incompetence and colleagues walking away. Same sh1t happening at the orange brigade. If you want anything to change then wave two fingers in their face on the way out the door. When crew shortages start effecting the bottom line then the boys and girls who call the shots will get involved. They will want to know why people are walking away. If flights are being crewed presently and current attrition rates will ensure a winter schedule then I doubt they even know about impending issues.
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Catch 22 then
You have to leave to be missed! lol - but then your gone and cant return.
So how do we work it, we have no union/backbone
the chances of enough guys getting organised and saying we need it sorting or we walk is beyond slim, its only going to happen from people leaving for other airlines unfortunately, so bring on massive recruitment.
You have to leave to be missed! lol - but then your gone and cant return.
So how do we work it, we have no union/backbone
the chances of enough guys getting organised and saying we need it sorting or we walk is beyond slim, its only going to happen from people leaving for other airlines unfortunately, so bring on massive recruitment.
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Catch 22 then
You have to leave to be missed! lol - but then your gone and cant return.
So how do we work it, we have no union/backbone
the chances of enough guys getting organised and saying we need it sorting or we walk is beyond slim, its only going to happen from people leaving for other airlines unfortunately, so bring on massive recruitment.
You have to leave to be missed! lol - but then your gone and cant return.
So how do we work it, we have no union/backbone
the chances of enough guys getting organised and saying we need it sorting or we walk is beyond slim, its only going to happen from people leaving for other airlines unfortunately, so bring on massive recruitment.
All that temporarily improved things in that company was an unprecedented level of resignations. They improved the rosters dramatically, but it seems to all have slipped back again with BALPA CC still crowing about what a wonderful job they are doing for the members and how good working for EZY is.
Unions only work in companies that will respect agreements. The others are right - the only thing that usually gets managers' attention is tumbleweed blowing across an empty shop floor.
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To everybody reading this, captains, F/Os, wannabes : STAY AWAY FROM RYANAIR. This is a !!!!e airline. They have orgasms from talking to and pilots in undesirable terms. There is no dialogue, no nothing between pilots and management. Money is crap considering such factors as aside expenditures or retirement plans, etc... And they will work you like a mule.
After all, they want CC to land airplanes. That gives you an idea on the amount of consideration they will grant you.
Just the name of this airline makes me sick.
After all, they want CC to land airplanes. That gives you an idea on the amount of consideration they will grant you.
Just the name of this airline makes me sick.
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nice one FRying......
all based on undisputed facts i suppose..
oh dear
I work there, I does have its issues, but youre talking out of your a$$...
troll by any chance..?
all based on undisputed facts i suppose..
oh dear
I work there, I does have its issues, but youre talking out of your a$$...
After all, they want CC to land airplanes.
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From: Germany
It won't be long now everyone, the wheels are about to fall off the trolley (sooner that u think)..... RYR will about to get what they deserve, and dont listen to the management line, that all is ok!!! It is a fact people are leaving this circus.
MOL, i am shedding a tear as we speak, couldnt happen to a nicer guy...but the reality is that this CEO is SO FAR detatched from realilty, he doesn't even believe that a pilot shortage is a threat to his operation......how little does he know....his recent flipant goes to show you what he thinks of the pilots who maintain the airlines high saftey record. (MOL has just insulted and offended the very same professionals he needs to sit in the left seat, to satisfy Command Upgrade requirements. SFO's, will just sit where they are, why should they help? especially after they know how much their CEO thinks of them)
It is common knowledge that this fool is more a distraction that anything else. He has no direct access to running of flight operations...the only power he has is occassionally "barking" his usual predicatable rants....
Getting a cabin crew into the flight deck? (yup okay, i will have what that CEO is sniffing too, he must have finally cracked, this is NOT some amazing marketing strategy, its just some deadbeat making careless wreckless remarks).
The really annoying thing is that Shareholders and Management who deal with this man and at the same time, the managers within the flight department who help to maintain the safety of this airline do not issue a memo to pilots stating that MOL's position does not reflect theirs. Sadly, we have not seen anything from management on this.....Very Disappointing!!!
Flew with 5 FO's last week, and 4 of them have applied to Emirates !!
PB, your recent memo , the only use it has is as toilet roll
MOL, i am shedding a tear as we speak, couldnt happen to a nicer guy...but the reality is that this CEO is SO FAR detatched from realilty, he doesn't even believe that a pilot shortage is a threat to his operation......how little does he know....his recent flipant goes to show you what he thinks of the pilots who maintain the airlines high saftey record. (MOL has just insulted and offended the very same professionals he needs to sit in the left seat, to satisfy Command Upgrade requirements. SFO's, will just sit where they are, why should they help? especially after they know how much their CEO thinks of them)
It is common knowledge that this fool is more a distraction that anything else. He has no direct access to running of flight operations...the only power he has is occassionally "barking" his usual predicatable rants....
Getting a cabin crew into the flight deck? (yup okay, i will have what that CEO is sniffing too, he must have finally cracked, this is NOT some amazing marketing strategy, its just some deadbeat making careless wreckless remarks).
The really annoying thing is that Shareholders and Management who deal with this man and at the same time, the managers within the flight department who help to maintain the safety of this airline do not issue a memo to pilots stating that MOL's position does not reflect theirs. Sadly, we have not seen anything from management on this.....Very Disappointing!!!
Flew with 5 FO's last week, and 4 of them have applied to Emirates !!
PB, your recent memo , the only use it has is as toilet roll
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Skygoose
FYI
Ryanair's Michael O'Leary says air stewards could land planes in emergencies | Mail Online
Think before you open your mind.
FYI
Ryanair's Michael O'Leary says air stewards could land planes in emergencies | Mail Online
Think before you open your mind.
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From: England
FRying,
I'm with Sky goose on this one. You're entitled to your opinion but that rant was way over the top. Maybe you were chopped or rejected for an upgrade with RYR? And surely you didn't believe the bit about the single pilot ops?
Sky goose, DO ME A FAVOR.... !
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Maybe MOL should have bought A319's, then all his pilots (if they don't already) would know what he was everytime they got to 20ft: " Retard, Retard"!!!
Cheap publicity maybe...........................
Cheap publicity maybe...........................
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29th July 2005, 18:18 #9 (permalink) FRying
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Why join Ryanair while less bully airlines with better T&Cs are ready to hire anytime in gorgeous places around the world ????
You'd have to be completely mad to actually consider joining Ryanair, whether as a captain or as a first officer.
Looks like you didn't take your own advice.....
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Why join Ryanair while less bully airlines with better T&Cs are ready to hire anytime in gorgeous places around the world ????
You'd have to be completely mad to actually consider joining Ryanair, whether as a captain or as a first officer.
Looks like you didn't take your own advice.....
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Almost every F/O i spoke with has been asked to work on days off lately and not only once but several times during the last few weeks.
Captains are flown to the max as usual and they hardly ever have a STBY day.
It's true that up to now I haven't yet heard of anyone specific who resigned to join EK but I suspect it's because of the long application/selection process and the 3 months notice. I think the interesting part will come in 3-4 months from now
On top of that more and more people are talking about selections in other outfits too like Jet2,Lufthansa Italia, Qatar, Korean.
These useless and easily replaceable copilots are looking around.....
Captains are flown to the max as usual and they hardly ever have a STBY day.
It's true that up to now I haven't yet heard of anyone specific who resigned to join EK but I suspect it's because of the long application/selection process and the 3 months notice. I think the interesting part will come in 3-4 months from now
On top of that more and more people are talking about selections in other outfits too like Jet2,Lufthansa Italia, Qatar, Korean.
These useless and easily replaceable copilots are looking around.....