Sunexpress seeks 20 DEC B737NG
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Hi all,
Came across this today, thought it might be of interest for someone here.
I translated it from Dutch to English with google, so look over the spelling errors
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SunExpress is a rapidly growing airline founded in October 1989 as a subsidiary of Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines. Today SunExpress is the leader in charter flights between Germany and Turkey, and one of the largest carriers between Europe and southern Turkey. SunExpress is the only airline in Turkey, ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and OHSAS certified.
SunExpress is looking for about 20 captains with at least several years experience as captain and preferably on the Boeing 737 NG. This to approximately 2.3 million passengers to their destination.
Job Description and requirements
What are we looking for?
SunExpress searches: 20 Boeing 737 NG commanders
Minimum 5000 hours experience.
Possession of a valid type rating B 737 NG is a clear preference.
Familiar with Boeing standard procedures.
Conditions and application procedure
What we offer?
Contract of 2 years in the service of SunExpress.
Basic salary of € 6,000, - net per month.
Good working atmosphere in a very flexible organization.
Very nice colleagues.
Charge over 85 hours per month of € 46 per hour net.
Insurance, sundries and crew transport of commuting is regulated.
Location:
Istanbul, Izmir and Antalya.
The original link (in Dutch)
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Good luck!
Came across this today, thought it might be of interest for someone here.
I translated it from Dutch to English with google, so look over the spelling errors
.Company
SunExpress is a rapidly growing airline founded in October 1989 as a subsidiary of Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines. Today SunExpress is the leader in charter flights between Germany and Turkey, and one of the largest carriers between Europe and southern Turkey. SunExpress is the only airline in Turkey, ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and OHSAS certified.
SunExpress is looking for about 20 captains with at least several years experience as captain and preferably on the Boeing 737 NG. This to approximately 2.3 million passengers to their destination.
Job Description and requirements
What are we looking for?
SunExpress searches: 20 Boeing 737 NG commanders
Minimum 5000 hours experience.
Possession of a valid type rating B 737 NG is a clear preference.
Familiar with Boeing standard procedures.
Conditions and application procedure
What we offer?
Contract of 2 years in the service of SunExpress.
Basic salary of € 6,000, - net per month.
Good working atmosphere in a very flexible organization.
Very nice colleagues.
Charge over 85 hours per month of € 46 per hour net.
Insurance, sundries and crew transport of commuting is regulated.
Location:
Istanbul, Izmir and Antalya.
The original link (in Dutch)
Aviabanen
Good luck!
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Don't worry about the money, at least you have "nice collegues"!
What is next?
-Pay 5000 euros
-Nice weather
Unfortunately it doesn't only happen in aviation. This rot is spreading into every professional occupation.
What is next?
-Pay 5000 euros
-Nice weather
Unfortunately it doesn't only happen in aviation. This rot is spreading into every professional occupation.
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Don't want to burst your bubble, but I know of 4 other Turkish companies paying around 6000-6250€ a month for contractors, sometimes only on 6mth contracts.
Regretably therefore, that is a "normal" figure these days, although I believe Sun Express used to pay a whole lot better in the past.
What is odd about this is that the job was advertised several months ago and it is difficult to believe in the current situation they were short of applicants.
At the bottom of this page you will sometimes see a banner ad for the DLR tests (which of course you have to pay for
) Sun Express featured quite a while ago, but not now.
Wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't just a ploy to get some cash flowing through the organisation that undertakes those tests (ATTC), otherwise why are they recruiting a second time in about 2 - 3 mths ?
Cynical ? me ?
Regretably therefore, that is a "normal" figure these days, although I believe Sun Express used to pay a whole lot better in the past.
What is odd about this is that the job was advertised several months ago and it is difficult to believe in the current situation they were short of applicants.
At the bottom of this page you will sometimes see a banner ad for the DLR tests (which of course you have to pay for
) Sun Express featured quite a while ago, but not now.Wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't just a ploy to get some cash flowing through the organisation that undertakes those tests (ATTC), otherwise why are they recruiting a second time in about 2 - 3 mths ?
Cynical ? me ?
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I dont think Pay is good enough to attract people on this salary without any accommodation allowance!
Not a commuting job as well!
Good luck to them who are trying for this opportunity
Not a commuting job as well!
Good luck to them who are trying for this opportunity
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I have some friends working there, and they point out quite reasonably that these figures are NET of tax, so the pay is as good or in many cases better than Europe IF they could get a job here. Plus, for contractors Istanbul isn't as far away as India or China, and you get paid in Euro. If you take an Indian or Chinese contract salary at the current Dollar, it's about the same and a whole pile closer to home.
Not to say it's the best thing since sliced bread - and I know we should all have 10K minimum a month plus paid manservants to carry our flight bags, but aren't we over-reacting just a tad?
I suspect as captplaystation says the issue for SunExpress is they want you to pay and do the DLR test when the other Turkish 737 operators don't. Apart from the test cost, it wouldn't be nice for masters of the sky to find out they don't pass Lufty standards (very high failure rates) and not get a job at the same time, better to stay unsuitable but happy in your ignorance and fly for one of the other outfits.
Not to say it's the best thing since sliced bread - and I know we should all have 10K minimum a month plus paid manservants to carry our flight bags, but aren't we over-reacting just a tad?
I suspect as captplaystation says the issue for SunExpress is they want you to pay and do the DLR test when the other Turkish 737 operators don't. Apart from the test cost, it wouldn't be nice for masters of the sky to find out they don't pass Lufty standards (very high failure rates) and not get a job at the same time, better to stay unsuitable but happy in your ignorance and fly for one of the other outfits.
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Bear11,
please check the usd versus euro charts for the last year...
My chinese airline pays net 11750 usd(8800 eur)+an average of 7000 eur/year bonus so a minimum net of 9400 eur/month.
This doesnt include fuel saving bonuses,and 105 eur net per hr over 80.
So the 6000 eur is poor for todays market.
Thats why i refused a position offer with a turkish carrier.
And the dlr tests dont make people good pilots!!!its just an exercice that you train for, just like the atpl theory.it is mainly an extra test for airlines to select inexperienced pilots and reassure themselves their potential new recruits will pass their indoor trainings.
please check the usd versus euro charts for the last year...
My chinese airline pays net 11750 usd(8800 eur)+an average of 7000 eur/year bonus so a minimum net of 9400 eur/month.
This doesnt include fuel saving bonuses,and 105 eur net per hr over 80.
So the 6000 eur is poor for todays market.
Thats why i refused a position offer with a turkish carrier.
And the dlr tests dont make people good pilots!!!its just an exercice that you train for, just like the atpl theory.it is mainly an extra test for airlines to select inexperienced pilots and reassure themselves their potential new recruits will pass their indoor trainings.
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being a joint venture between Lufthansa and Turkish airlines, Sun Express has, like Lufthansa ,amongst other things, the requirement for DLR tests. The failure rate has historically been high(around 75 % for Fo, 50% Capt.)
If you fail you are out and that also ruins your chances with other companies that use the DLR tests as the results wil stay in the DLR data base.
Preparation for the test is partly possible, but costly, and preparation for the psychological part is not possible. You either fit in their profile or not.
The job is not a commuting job, you will have to live there and your base will likely be istanbul SAW(growing base). That is not the istanbul ataturk airport where all the european airlines fly to, and lies on the asian side, so very dificult to impossible to connect to a connecting flight home as the traffic between asian and european side is very heavy.
You will fly close to 1000 hrs a year and will have little time off.Roster consists of nightflights to europe and a lot of domestic flights to ill equiped airports .
The salary is not paid in Euro but Turkish lira and allthough salary is netto, there is no per diem nor pension.
Turkey is not europe and you will have to adapt to a different culture which can test your patience regulary.
Allthough B737 typerating is not mandatory, it is recommended and you will need to have time on similar type of aircraft and 1500 PIC on similar type or B737.
Currently pilots are leaving as other Turkish airlines have better Terms and conditions
Goodluck but stay realistic
If you fail you are out and that also ruins your chances with other companies that use the DLR tests as the results wil stay in the DLR data base.
Preparation for the test is partly possible, but costly, and preparation for the psychological part is not possible. You either fit in their profile or not.
The job is not a commuting job, you will have to live there and your base will likely be istanbul SAW(growing base). That is not the istanbul ataturk airport where all the european airlines fly to, and lies on the asian side, so very dificult to impossible to connect to a connecting flight home as the traffic between asian and european side is very heavy.
You will fly close to 1000 hrs a year and will have little time off.Roster consists of nightflights to europe and a lot of domestic flights to ill equiped airports .
The salary is not paid in Euro but Turkish lira and allthough salary is netto, there is no per diem nor pension.
Turkey is not europe and you will have to adapt to a different culture which can test your patience regulary.
Allthough B737 typerating is not mandatory, it is recommended and you will need to have time on similar type of aircraft and 1500 PIC on similar type or B737.
Currently pilots are leaving as other Turkish airlines have better Terms and conditions
Goodluck but stay realistic
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Thanks for the realistic info, maybe in the light of that I am indeed wrong, and they are AGAIN looking for crew.
Even compared to other Turkish companies this doesn't sound too enticing.
Shame we are all in the sh1t, as these companies are really enjoying to rub our noses in it.
When (if) the tide turns I hope our collective memory equips us to deliver them all a serious kick in the gonads, but I doubt it.
Even compared to other Turkish companies this doesn't sound too enticing.
Shame we are all in the sh1t, as these companies are really enjoying to rub our noses in it.
When (if) the tide turns I hope our collective memory equips us to deliver them all a serious kick in the gonads, but
I doubt it.
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Someone must have started up a new outfit called Sensitive Airways while my back was turned 
I should clarify for the pedants that when I said my friends flew there, I didn't actually mean THERE, as in Sunexpress. So the Euro comment still applies for other carriers. I don't take issue with anything else space pig says, it's an informative post. I would make the added point that it's not all about the money in Turkey, though - there are carriers with different standards, and different chances of paying what they owe you at the end of the month, and Sunexpress are one of the top tier carriers in those 2 regards.
And I should have said SOME Chinese carriers, rather than having to point out to de facto the Dollar was at 1.50 to the Euro last December rather than the 1.34 of today. If we knew what the Dollar was going to do, we would all have paid manservants writing these posts.
You takes your choice and you get paid as much as the particular market will bear. One Captain I know is now flying and getting paid having not been able to get a job since the Spanish carrier he had been flying with went tits-up a year and a half ago. Everything is relative, friends. Before we go banging on about how much it isn't, could we not look forward to rates going up because the available pilots are being soaked up in a market with demand such as Turkey, please? That has a far better effect on rates than posting on prune.
And less of the willy-waving, Mutt
I should clarify for the pedants that when I said my friends flew there, I didn't actually mean THERE, as in Sunexpress. So the Euro comment still applies for other carriers. I don't take issue with anything else space pig says, it's an informative post. I would make the added point that it's not all about the money in Turkey, though - there are carriers with different standards, and different chances of paying what they owe you at the end of the month, and Sunexpress are one of the top tier carriers in those 2 regards.
And I should have said SOME Chinese carriers, rather than having to point out to de facto the Dollar was at 1.50 to the Euro last December rather than the 1.34 of today. If we knew what the Dollar was going to do, we would all have paid manservants writing these posts.
You takes your choice and you get paid as much as the particular market will bear. One Captain I know is now flying and getting paid having not been able to get a job since the Spanish carrier he had been flying with went tits-up a year and a half ago. Everything is relative, friends. Before we go banging on about how much it isn't, could we not look forward to rates going up because the available pilots are being soaked up in a market with demand such as Turkey, please? That has a far better effect on rates than posting on prune.
And less of the willy-waving, Mutt
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€6000 net sounds alot, is it really that bad?
For instance in Sweden that would be aprox. €11000-€12000 before income tax every month. Not alot worse than what a captain at SAS Sweden makes.
For instance in Sweden that would be aprox. €11000-€12000 before income tax every month. Not alot worse than what a captain at SAS Sweden makes.
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In Sweden you have an excellent pension and social security system, In Turkey none of the above. You have to arrange your own pension and insure yourself against unemployment.Those who think that hiring an appartment in Istanbul or Antalya is cheap, will be in for a surprise....
contracts are first 2 years and then 1 year renewable, not permanent.
If you leave before the 2 years you will have to pay the remaining months back to them, that is if you leave after 1 year you will have to pay them back 12 times 6000 equals 72000 Euro
By the way, you have to pay 500 euro for the DLR test and only get that back when you are hired. If you do not pass the DLR, like most, that money is gone with the wind
back in the days , things were different but those days are gone
contracts are first 2 years and then 1 year renewable, not permanent.
If you leave before the 2 years you will have to pay the remaining months back to them, that is if you leave after 1 year you will have to pay them back 12 times 6000 equals 72000 Euro
By the way, you have to pay 500 euro for the DLR test and only get that back when you are hired. If you do not pass the DLR, like most, that money is gone with the wind
back in the days , things were different but those days are gone
