Ryanair cost cutting plan
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STRESSFREE: No, actualy I could have been ( if, I had been alive) the reporter how brought to life all the errors commited in the Titanic accident. He showed up the faults from the building, the arrogance and the cock up made by some of the crew and the captain. Not all projects and procedures are full proof. It's not until you try them out that you find out, if they work or not? Having said that, I am sure that even RYR will change and modify its work plan and ethics. But, for the time being it seems to work. And for the record I have flown in several airlines, flying wide body to narrow. Why several because they went bankrupt. And after 23000hrs of flying, I have certainly have seen how this industry has changed for better or for worst. That is a point of view that relates to the world economics and a little word that's known as: Goloblization! Whether you like it or not blame someone else but not as in my case someone who like his job and is happy to have one.
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MPH,
Well thank you very much for your post, its most valuable and helps the debate, clearly you like the Ryanair model and 'after 23,000 hours' (!!!!) you feel happy to continue with this workload then please carry on. I won't be one of your passengers, 'goloblization' or otherwise.......
Well thank you very much for your post, its most valuable and helps the debate, clearly you like the Ryanair model and 'after 23,000 hours' (!!!!) you feel happy to continue with this workload then please carry on. I won't be one of your passengers, 'goloblization' or otherwise.......
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No choice but to carry on...good thing about FR you can book online and you will probalbly will be not noticed. Lets put it this way. Every company strives to survive and apply the model they think is the right one. In the case of RYR it works. In the model used by other carriers it has also worked. But, unfortunatly for others it has lead to banckrupcy. Lets not bash a company for their way of doing things and pretend that the others are the only ones whom are correct?
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MPH,
from one like you, with wide and narrow body experience and 23k hours , we expect some great cost cutting ideas based on your background.
And don't tell me FR is already doing it the best they can, you know very well they can cut even further.....I have an idea for instance:
1- pilots who have seen it all, been there, done that and who are happy 'cause they have a job and are not bankrupt after 23k hours should be more than happy to accept a paycut based on the above statements and also on the fact that they have been living like kings for the past 20k hours in other airlines and now they should help the company save some money giving a good example to the young folks who still think about ridiculous stuff like benefits or T&C's.
from one like you, with wide and narrow body experience and 23k hours , we expect some great cost cutting ideas based on your background.
And don't tell me FR is already doing it the best they can, you know very well they can cut even further.....I have an idea for instance:
1- pilots who have seen it all, been there, done that and who are happy 'cause they have a job and are not bankrupt after 23k hours should be more than happy to accept a paycut based on the above statements and also on the fact that they have been living like kings for the past 20k hours in other airlines and now they should help the company save some money giving a good example to the young folks who still think about ridiculous stuff like benefits or T&C's.
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I did not say that! What I said that the actual cost cutting and the model FR uses, seems to work. My experience has nothing to do with what I have to sugest to a company or any company in relation to cost cuttying. I just do my job, follow their SOP's and mind my own bussiness. Now if, they want to pay me extra, I might look into the already thin line of cutting more costs. But, to be honest their are sufficent 'wizz' managers around whom are payed to do this without me advising them or the company. And, I repeat for some companies their model works and for others, it does not! I think that what's important is, that the companies that are doing well, can expand and at least there would be more work around. Whether or not we like there way of doing things or not!
I did not say that! What I said that the actual cost cutting and the model FR uses, seems to work. My experience has nothing to do with what I have to sugest to a company or any company in relation to cost cuttying. I just do my job, follow their SOP's and mind my own bussiness. Now if, they want to pay me extra, I might look into the already thin line of cutting more costs. But, to be honest their are sufficent 'wizz' managers around whom are payed to do this without me advising them or the company. And, I repeat for some companies their model works and for others, it does not! I think that what's important is, that the companies that are doing well, can expand and at least there would be more work around. Whether or not we like there way of doing things or not!
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As MOL is the great servant of the masses, bringing cheap and joyful travel for all to enjoy, he should copy that other great bastion of civil duty and introduce means testing for all crews. Only those living so far below the breadline that they can't afford to thumb a lift to work would qualify for pay.
He could run the system on the same basis as Tax Credits, and then claw back all the payouts from ex crews pensions on the basis that the original calculations were wrong and everyone was overpaid....
OR
He could hold a seat sale for the two seats in the flightdeck, with those bidding highest getting to work those sectors. OK, I realise this would only work for contractors as they have to fly to get paid, but its a start....
He could run the system on the same basis as Tax Credits, and then claw back all the payouts from ex crews pensions on the basis that the original calculations were wrong and everyone was overpaid....
OR
He could hold a seat sale for the two seats in the flightdeck, with those bidding highest getting to work those sectors. OK, I realise this would only work for contractors as they have to fly to get paid, but its a start....
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Passengers and Crew should only board after having been to the little boys/girls room - Only start APU to start engines - off immediately after start, No pack operation until Climb Power. ( If its really hot theyl sweat off more weight - BONUS!!)
Fill up aircraft from the back to move cg aft at all times, only aft toilet to be used for same purpose.
Retrofit cockpits with manual seats to save on weight and electricity and the cg goes aft again..
Get offending aircrew to remove all paint from aircraft to save weight.
Only accept vacuum packed luggage, don`t want to carry air around.
All fuel from fuel checks to be sold to Fo car dwellers to burn in drums in winter in the car park..
Fill up aircraft from the back to move cg aft at all times, only aft toilet to be used for same purpose.
Retrofit cockpits with manual seats to save on weight and electricity and the cg goes aft again..
Get offending aircrew to remove all paint from aircraft to save weight.
Only accept vacuum packed luggage, don`t want to carry air around.
All fuel from fuel checks to be sold to Fo car dwellers to burn in drums in winter in the car park..
Friend of mine went "tits up" in Carcasonne in his very nice and expensive turbo.
The only way home was FR and that cost £300 each (one way) because they wanted to travel "instantly" - like now.
What is wrong with that? They wanted to travel "instantly" and they were prepared to pay the price. If they had wanted to pay £10 then they would have to have booked their disaster well in advance.
Before I retired, I had a flight engineer friend who used to book eight flights a month with FR between Charleroi and Stanstead. That exercise cost him €80 per month, or, if you like, €10 per flight.
That exercise is called the principle of the 6 Ps:
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
The only way home was FR and that cost £300 each (one way) because they wanted to travel "instantly" - like now.
What is wrong with that? They wanted to travel "instantly" and they were prepared to pay the price. If they had wanted to pay £10 then they would have to have booked their disaster well in advance.
Before I retired, I had a flight engineer friend who used to book eight flights a month with FR between Charleroi and Stanstead. That exercise cost him €80 per month, or, if you like, €10 per flight.
That exercise is called the principle of the 6 Ps:
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
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If you are going to make suggestions like fitting manual instead of electric seats in the cockpit, please do enough research so you can differentiate between an A319 (that is Easy Jet) and a B738.
You will find that the manufacturer took care of that suggestion before the aircraft left Seattle, like every other 737 to my knowledge.
Duh !
If you are going to make suggestions like fitting manual instead of electric seats in the cockpit, please do enough research so you can differentiate between an A319 (that is Easy Jet) and a B738.
You will find that the manufacturer took care of that suggestion before the aircraft left Seattle, like every other 737 to my knowledge.
Duh !
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1. Make cabin lighting and even flight deck electrics run on dynamo generated electricity (similar to wind up radios/torches) This will save on engine generators thus reducing fuel burn. (note: all dynamos must be charged preflight to prevent carrying excess weight.) The F/O could calculate number of turns required preflight as part of his duties.
2. Shellsuits/paper forensic suits as uniforms. They could have painted ties and stipes on them, but think of the weight you would save!
3. Drill holes in the skin and fill them with cork. Add an extra hole per sector. After the first hull loss, reduce number of holes drilled by one
4. Put those flush saver devices for toilets in the fuel tanks. You would carry less weight in fuel, but the gauges would still show minimum reserves on landing.
5. Fill tyres with helium.
6. Only operate from airports where the apron is higher than the runway. The upslope could be used instead of braking. And you could free wheel to the threshold before starting engines.
I love this thread, keep it up guys.............
2. Shellsuits/paper forensic suits as uniforms. They could have painted ties and stipes on them, but think of the weight you would save!
3. Drill holes in the skin and fill them with cork. Add an extra hole per sector. After the first hull loss, reduce number of holes drilled by one
4. Put those flush saver devices for toilets in the fuel tanks. You would carry less weight in fuel, but the gauges would still show minimum reserves on landing.
5. Fill tyres with helium.
6. Only operate from airports where the apron is higher than the runway. The upslope could be used instead of braking. And you could free wheel to the threshold before starting engines.
I love this thread, keep it up guys.............
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Looks like the idea of getting rid of those costly and colourful loadsheets/performance charts and having the F/O's drawing them at home won't be realistic; somebody has raised a safety concern about it: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lculation.html
shimmy shaved, how do you fire somebody who you don't even employ?you just put them off the roster, which you can do for FREE and without even having to spend money on stamps for a dismissal letter.
Maybe you should get fired for such costly and inefficient ideas.....
We fire danny alliga and save the cost of one bitter and twisted FO 
Maybe you should get fired for such costly and inefficient ideas.....
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1. No diversions around weather allowed. Pax to be informed that they are going to get the "Alton Towers experience" at no extra cost.
2. No entries to be made in the ATL until the aircraft is due for a C check.
3. De-Icing only using waste fluid from the lavatories to save on expensive de-icing fluid. Procedure to be carried out by the FO using a hand pump.
4. To save using standby crew, passengers who have flown more than 10 times with FR may be used as cabin crew and be offered a free bottle of water, and passengers who have flown more than 15 times may be used as flight deck crew and offered a free cheese sandwich.
2. No entries to be made in the ATL until the aircraft is due for a C check.
3. De-Icing only using waste fluid from the lavatories to save on expensive de-icing fluid. Procedure to be carried out by the FO using a hand pump.
4. To save using standby crew, passengers who have flown more than 10 times with FR may be used as cabin crew and be offered a free bottle of water, and passengers who have flown more than 15 times may be used as flight deck crew and offered a free cheese sandwich.
