BA amd BMI
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BA amd BMI
Sir Willie is said to fancy guying BMI.
What does Nigel think of them joining the Seniority list.
% or DOG?
And where does this leave Cityflyer................?
What does Nigel think of them joining the Seniority list.
% or DOG?
And where does this leave Cityflyer................?
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Easy, BMI tacked on to the bottom of the master seniority list. Grandfather rights to allow continuation of Captains on the BMI types, i.e. Airbus/Embraer.
If they wish to move fleet to the LH fleets then they have to accept their natural seniority and give up the command.
Would probably be nice for the guys and girls to have some stability for a while!
If they wish to move fleet to the LH fleets then they have to accept their natural seniority and give up the command.
Would probably be nice for the guys and girls to have some stability for a while!
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"Easy, BMI tacked on to the bottom of the master seniority list. Grandfather rights to allow continuation of Captains on the BMI types"
sorry not allowed as when bmi integrated bmed, bmed slotted in doj and not on bottom as was preferred by bmi crew, found to be some labour law forcing the issue.
sorry not allowed as when bmi integrated bmed, bmed slotted in doj and not on bottom as was preferred by bmi crew, found to be some labour law forcing the issue.
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I was always amazed BA got away with doing this to the Cityflyer folk. I think one or two of them were going to force the issue at the time, but didnt for some reason. I have a feeling, it was suggested at the time that seniority couldn't be a transferable 'asset' under TUPE; but as doo says, this has probably changed or been clarified.
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Lufty dont want to subsidise BMI. Thay have enough cash from the cookie jar they prised from Mr Bishop's cold clammy hand to fund the losses till spring...ish.
Ergo they will seek to unload it by then.
BA have the dosh to do it, thanks to the vote of confidence in Willie's strategy from the City.
Virgin are dead in the water and cant afford to buy, even if they had a use for the slots, which they dont as they are suffering a crippling battle on the world's most oversubscribed routes, hence SIA's desire to unload their 49% share.
BA have warmed up the Iberia deal, and AA is waiting in the wings.
What will be the price of these mergers?
Answer....you must give up lots of LHR slots.
By chance....after purchase of BMI......who might have those slots to spare??
And of course...still plenty left over to absorb the traffic when BA finally quit LGW, also releasing crew on cheaper contract terms to transfer to LHR, although this last supposition might be precluded by Union agreements???
All of the above is pure rumours and speculation.
Awaiting flak.
Ergo they will seek to unload it by then.
BA have the dosh to do it, thanks to the vote of confidence in Willie's strategy from the City.
Virgin are dead in the water and cant afford to buy, even if they had a use for the slots, which they dont as they are suffering a crippling battle on the world's most oversubscribed routes, hence SIA's desire to unload their 49% share.
BA have warmed up the Iberia deal, and AA is waiting in the wings.
What will be the price of these mergers?
Answer....you must give up lots of LHR slots.
By chance....after purchase of BMI......who might have those slots to spare??
And of course...still plenty left over to absorb the traffic when BA finally quit LGW, also releasing crew on cheaper contract terms to transfer to LHR, although this last supposition might be precluded by Union agreements???
All of the above is pure rumours and speculation.
Awaiting flak.
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Close Nigel?
Well you are stressed, close the thread because you don't like what you hear.
Stormin is right, BMI have some good slots so worth the punt. Don't forget either that BMI only bought BMed as a cheap way of getting slots, it was about to go bust.
Too many pilots yes, the redundancies will be decided after due process once the two companies and their seniority lists have been merged.
No longer LIFO Overstress, you may well find that you are high on the list to go as a 400 driver, how is your sickness record?
It will be funny to see those BMed jets back in BA colours.
Stormin is right, BMI have some good slots so worth the punt. Don't forget either that BMI only bought BMed as a cheap way of getting slots, it was about to go bust.
Too many pilots yes, the redundancies will be decided after due process once the two companies and their seniority lists have been merged.
No longer LIFO Overstress, you may well find that you are high on the list to go as a 400 driver, how is your sickness record?
It will be funny to see those BMed jets back in BA colours.
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Its BA and Virgin that ought to merge surely? Get your heads around that one...
Watch LH cry "Foul" if thats the case whereupon the new BA+VS entity will tell the EU Commission to look at Frankfurt before they make a decision on relinquishing slots.
BA+VS will win that one.
None of the cash LH spent on bmi was unforeseen...the deal was sitting there on the cards for 10 years with a pre-negotiated price tag.
They'll sort out the bmi business - of that £100 million loss they clawed back £75 million on closing out the deal; so they're now only £25 million down for the year assuming thats what they'll lose this year - but who in their right mind would sell rights to operate into LHR at this point in time when the price will be depressed and their future revenue potential is infinite?
I reckon it'll be "no change" for the foreseeable future but LH could really hold BA to ransom for the slots bearing in mind the constraints on expansion at LHR...
All pure speculation of course...
Watch LH cry "Foul" if thats the case whereupon the new BA+VS entity will tell the EU Commission to look at Frankfurt before they make a decision on relinquishing slots.
BA+VS will win that one.
None of the cash LH spent on bmi was unforeseen...the deal was sitting there on the cards for 10 years with a pre-negotiated price tag.
They'll sort out the bmi business - of that £100 million loss they clawed back £75 million on closing out the deal; so they're now only £25 million down for the year assuming thats what they'll lose this year - but who in their right mind would sell rights to operate into LHR at this point in time when the price will be depressed and their future revenue potential is infinite?
I reckon it'll be "no change" for the foreseeable future but LH could really hold BA to ransom for the slots bearing in mind the constraints on expansion at LHR...
All pure speculation of course...
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aztruck lhr and lgw pilots are on the same contract (different scheduling only). I still don't get why BA would buy a loss making company (and that on a lower cost base). Slots maybe but not all slots would be desirable.
Yeah and that has worked out well!
Interesting times....
Don't forget either that BMI only bought BMed as a cheap way of getting slots
Interesting times....
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Thanks for your interest MEDX but my sickness record (exemplary) and my post in BA are nothing to do with you. I have reported your posting to the mods.
To answer the question by the OP, Nigel is not concerned. Now, back to the thread closure....
To answer the question by the OP, Nigel is not concerned. Now, back to the thread closure....
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Asset strip yes TBE, but read your employment law, employees are not that easy to get rid of. To take the assets and discard only the employees of the company being stripped is illegal.
