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I need some help or pointers, Ive got 2300hrs total with 2100hrs of them on the B737. I was thinking of applying to Korean Airlines for the non type rated B777 position, where we have to arrange and pay for our own B777 rating. Ive got a JAA ATPL but dont want to fork out European prices for the type rating, so I though itd be a good idea to get an FAA type rating as korean accept them both anyway.
My idea was to apply for an FAA validation on my JAA license, then do the FAA B777 type rating. Is this possible? I read somewhere we cant add more stuff to the validation.
Second idea was to do the B777 FAA rating and the FAA ATP test and oral exam and when I pass the type rating, this would count as my flight test and i would have the full FAA license issued. Again will this work?
My final idea was to do the flight test in the B737 and the exams, get my FAA lisence then do the B777 rating after. Im current on the B737 so should be fairly straight forward.
Or would I be better doing the FAA CPL/IR/ME in an light twin aircraft, bearing in mind I havent flown one for an age so would need retrained.
If anyone has ideas or suggestions to help, to keep my cost as low as poss, would be much appreciated.
Please no moaners about paying for type ratings etc, its just the way it is and Im not bank rolled by daddy so i can spend my money anyway i see fit!
My idea was to apply for an FAA validation on my JAA license, then do the FAA B777 type rating. Is this possible? I read somewhere we cant add more stuff to the validation.
Second idea was to do the B777 FAA rating and the FAA ATP test and oral exam and when I pass the type rating, this would count as my flight test and i would have the full FAA license issued. Again will this work?
My final idea was to do the flight test in the B737 and the exams, get my FAA lisence then do the B777 rating after. Im current on the B737 so should be fairly straight forward.
Or would I be better doing the FAA CPL/IR/ME in an light twin aircraft, bearing in mind I havent flown one for an age so would need retrained.
If anyone has ideas or suggestions to help, to keep my cost as low as poss, would be much appreciated.
Please no moaners about paying for type ratings etc, its just the way it is and Im not bank rolled by daddy so i can spend my money anyway i see fit!
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Second idea was to do the B777 FAA rating and the FAA ATP test and oral exam and when I pass the type rating, this would count as my flight test and i would have the full FAA license issued. Again will this work?
This will work, but are you sure that the airline will accept the type rating if not done intheir school?
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This will work, but are you sure that the airline will accept the type rating if not done intheir school?
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How the hell did you get 2100 B737 Hours straight out of flying school?
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Have a look at doing the type-rating with Air New Zealand in Auckland. Competitive prices, good training, and a 3 week course. Maybe a little more expensive and longer than in the USA, but if you can transfer the type-rating across to your JAA licence ok it will save the hassle of getting an FAA licence followed by a lengthy wait for them to process the paperwork.
Then there's the question if you REALLY want to join KAL as a B777 FO with no experience on type (relevant to your line training where many Captains get chopped), and no chance for the left seat ever?
Then there's the question if you REALLY want to join KAL as a B777 FO with no experience on type (relevant to your line training where many Captains get chopped), and no chance for the left seat ever?
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it was fairely common 3 years ago to get a jet job straight out of training. I did have to apply to every airline in europe and even went to visit some of them so when a job came up i was fresh on the hiring departments mind.
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Thanks for all the info everyone, will look at these options. I also wont be doing any type rating without having a contrat in hand. Still have to get through screening but wanted to be prepared to act if sucessful, as no point in screening if the type rating impossible to get.
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Are you sure that Korean will accept that route? Looking at the T&C's of the contract from a while ago, my understanding was that to take the self sponsored 777 route, you had to have sustantial wide body, heavy jet time, which by definition also probably implies, long haul ops and the 737 obviously doesn't meet that criteria. That was my understanding anyways. I'd contact the agencies to clarify if I were you. If only it were that straightforward. If you want to fly for Korean then why not the 737?
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I might as well ad another post to this wasted space 
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andihowie, you will need at least B757/B767 time to be considered for the B777 NTR position as flying headbutt rightly pointed out. This whole discussion is pointless as you only have B737 time...
; andihowie, you will need at least B757/B767 time to be considered for the B777 NTR position as flying headbutt rightly pointed out. This whole discussion is pointless as you only have B737 time...
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Highflyer you sound like you like to try and dampen anyones fire! i wouldnt post something pointless and have done/am doing my homework, Maybe you should do the same.
Headbut according to the agency, its what they want now. There not doing the 737 intake just now and dont know when they will restart. With the way the world economy is shaping up, i need a long term contract and although expensive, this B777 option will hopefully see me through and the 777 wages are better anyway so the 14000US for the rating would be paid off quickly anyway. Got to spend to gain and all that crap. Of course I would like them to pay for it but its a small price to pay to stay in a job when all around people are being laid off with less and less options.
Extreme P, I am and thanks, thats the kind of info I need, real help and not useless negative crap. Application will be submitted by agency tomorrow, so fingers crossed.
thanks guys/gals
Headbut according to the agency, its what they want now. There not doing the 737 intake just now and dont know when they will restart. With the way the world economy is shaping up, i need a long term contract and although expensive, this B777 option will hopefully see me through and the 777 wages are better anyway so the 14000US for the rating would be paid off quickly anyway. Got to spend to gain and all that crap. Of course I would like them to pay for it but its a small price to pay to stay in a job when all around people are being laid off with less and less options.
Extreme P, I am and thanks, thats the kind of info I need, real help and not useless negative crap. Application will be submitted by agency tomorrow, so fingers crossed.
thanks guys/gals
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Getting a 777 Rating no big problem, but a job after??
I think I did exactly what you are thinking about. I had the JAA 737 PIC Rating. I arranged with Alteon/Boeing in SEA to do a PIC/CM1 STAR B777 Course. Was a hassle to get the Flight Training approval as I was considered an "Independent" (not sponsored by an airline). Just prior to the STAR Course, I did my FAA Class 1 Medical and FAA ATP Written (had a Commerical/Multi/ IFR FAA Lic.). The Alteon STAR Course (one weeks Ground School, 30 hrs in a Level D FAA/JAA Approved SIM, FAA and JAA Written Test and the FAA Oral) combined with a dual JAA/FAA Examiner allowed for both the FAA and JAA Rating (after a complicated paperwork submission process) to be issued. Cost in Sept. 2005 was USD 13,000+ including hotel, transport, etc. The problem that resulted was without a 100 hrs PIC (lowest being accepted by AI at the time and usually 500 hrs. is the min.), there was no chance anywhere as a direct entry CP (DEC). One friend of mine managed to do some delivery flights on the B777 and got the magic 100 hrs. and did start that way on his B777 Career (formerly B744 rated he was). So to this day, I have the FAA 777 Rating, an expired JAA 777 Rating, with no B777 flight experience and aside from the inital rating sim check in Sept. 05 no further experience on the 777. I have not bothered to do the JAA Skill Test as it is very complicated and expensive to arrange for a JAA Examiner and JAA approved sim slot. In Europe BA offers B777 JAA sim slots and Alteon in SIN as far as I know. A JAA Examiner is also difficult to find. After 2 yrs+. of the Rating issuance as in my case, I would have to do a JAA 2 day recognized Ground School Refresher, written test and at least 4 hrs. of sim plus a JAA Sim Skill Test (usually 4 hrs.) with an JAA Examiner. Figure that would cost about Eur 700/hr. for the sim and around Eur 200/hr. for the Examiner if not shared. Transport, flights, HOTAC extra. So in my opinion an expensive Rating to get now and a questionable payback in the form of employment during these times.
As a matter of fact, a complete set of B777 Manuals for sale on Ebay Article Nr. 270439466706 if you are interested. Expires 17.Aug. 10:29 MESZ.
As a matter of fact, a complete set of B777 Manuals for sale on Ebay Article Nr. 270439466706 if you are interested. Expires 17.Aug. 10:29 MESZ.
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Thank AIexpats, sounds similar to what ill probably be going through! The airline offer a contract before doing the type rating so hopefully they wont be wasting my time!
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You don't have to have wide body experience, they took a few A320 guys directly on the A330. But these were exceptions.
Anyhow, Andi, I wouldn't say you don't deserve a 777. But best for your career is to get an upgrading on the 737 and then look further. If you go to Asia as an FO, you will stay an FO, forever. Period. If you are a captain on the 737, your chances for a captain's job in Asia are excellent, and the payment is far better than the one of a 777 FO.
I also know of 737 captains who got a direct captain entry into cargo companies on 747 or the like, with the salary you would expect.
Good luck,
HB
Anyhow, Andi, I wouldn't say you don't deserve a 777. But best for your career is to get an upgrading on the 737 and then look further. If you go to Asia as an FO, you will stay an FO, forever. Period. If you are a captain on the 737, your chances for a captain's job in Asia are excellent, and the payment is far better than the one of a 777 FO.
I also know of 737 captains who got a direct captain entry into cargo companies on 747 or the like, with the salary you would expect.
Good luck,
HB
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Harry thats what i would like to do, but problem is that my B737 job is probably about to dissapear and theres not much else happening for B737 first oficers, so might not get a chance to work, nevermind upgrade for a long time. I need a secure job for the longer term and the 5 year contract with KAL would work fine. thanks anyhoo
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OK, but an FO job isn't necessarily more secure. Better look for a place where you could get an upgrading in the medium term. Asia is definetly not the place to get an upgrading, unless you go to Cathay or other "western thinking" airline.
