Additional Qualification Pay - TRI/TRE/LTC
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Additional Qualification Pay - TRI/TRE/LTC
There seems to be a force in aviation lately, driving towards getting something for nothing. However, the value of good quality training cannot be overstated. Many Airlines appear to be trying to save money by providing minimum training not only for new recruits but also during recurrent training programs. This ultimately impacts upon flight safety. Therefore, as a quality check of sorts, please could I ask for some help in getting values for qualification pay given to trainers with the following qualifications:
TRE, TRI, LTC
I realise that pay isn't everything, but it is a starting point. As a highly qualified and experienced professional, I'm sure that one would not expect to have to provide one's services for free. Or indeed, to have the quality of one's experience devalued by suggesting that it is not worth the additional pay.
Please help me out by letting me know what value your Airline places on your qualification(s), and also your thoughts on the matter of training standards within the industry.
Thank you, in anticipation, for your replies to this thread.
TRE, TRI, LTC
I realise that pay isn't everything, but it is a starting point. As a highly qualified and experienced professional, I'm sure that one would not expect to have to provide one's services for free. Or indeed, to have the quality of one's experience devalued by suggesting that it is not worth the additional pay.
Please help me out by letting me know what value your Airline places on your qualification(s), and also your thoughts on the matter of training standards within the industry.
Thank you, in anticipation, for your replies to this thread.
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At easyJet, you get 12.5% for becoming a Line Training Captain. After that you get 2.5% increments for becoming a TRI, TRE and Airborne Base Trainer respectively. You do not get anything for going from a TRI to a TRI(A) (allowed to teach Base Training in the sim for ZFT guys and fly first 8 sectors of line training after the sim). Therefore the maximum you can get is 20% extra. I am told, but cannot verify, that there is a further 2.5% available for 'other duties' like being a RETRE or Training Standards Captain.
Finally, I believe the training pay is better at Virgin - these increments are increased by 2.5% for each stage (ie 15% for LTC etc).
There you have it!
Finally, I believe the training pay is better at Virgin - these increments are increased by 2.5% for each stage (ie 15% for LTC etc).
There you have it!
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mostly 1500 USD for TRI
and 2000-2500 USD for TRE
more than Line
Most expat contracts follow this.
But I suppose to make good minimum numbers rather than set standards.
A company with good standards and business ethics is difficult to find let alone join..
and 2000-2500 USD for TRE
more than Line
Most expat contracts follow this.
But I suppose to make good minimum numbers rather than set standards.
A company with good standards and business ethics is difficult to find let alone join..
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Thanks for the replies so far, it would appear that the figures indicate a difference if you work for a low cost airline as opposed to a National/Regional one. I had an interesting email come through from one TRE who quoted:
" ...One wouldn't go to an accountant to get a tax return, or a dentist for surgery, or a lawyer for representation and expect to pay anything less than industry standard. Furthermore, if you did and they were willing to accept less, you would need to carefully consider the quality of that service!"
I wonder what the CAA/FAA/JAA would think if they found out that trainers were being selected [by certain airlines] for their willingness to accept low remuneration, rather than their actual ability?
" ...One wouldn't go to an accountant to get a tax return, or a dentist for surgery, or a lawyer for representation and expect to pay anything less than industry standard. Furthermore, if you did and they were willing to accept less, you would need to carefully consider the quality of that service!"
I wonder what the CAA/FAA/JAA would think if they found out that trainers were being selected [by certain airlines] for their willingness to accept low remuneration, rather than their actual ability?
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Hi Condorbaaz, firstly thanks for taking the time to reply. Secondly, are those figures which you quoted monthly increments....i'm assuming that is the case. Also, to which companies (if you are able to say, discretion assumed...) do you refer when you mention expat contract rates?
Thanks....
Thanks....
About 325€ net increase over monthly capt's pay for LTCs and 545€ for TRI/TREs. Really says it all.
Probably: "It's legal, therefore it's safe"
I wonder what the CAA/FAA/JAA would think if they found out that trainers were being selected [by certain airlines] for their willingness to accept low remuneration, rather than their actual ability?
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OUCH!...... that's about the worst that I've heard of yet. Even Ryanair pays its line trainer's and TRE's better than that! Thanks for the info, and I would like to think that the Authorities are a little more safety conscious, so hope your exasperation is misguided but fear that you may be spot-on!
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Kick the Tires,
No, the author is after some genuine information. If you have any constructive inputs then please make them otherwise go and barrack another thread instead!
Does anyone have figures from Ryanair to hand? I have been told £300 for a LTC per month but no info about TRI or TRE pay. Some of the Airlines' own websites publish figures on recruitment pages, but many do not and I can't find my old BALPA sheets which had some good info either. Not that many Airlines are recruiting at the moment......!
No, the author is after some genuine information. If you have any constructive inputs then please make them otherwise go and barrack another thread instead!
Does anyone have figures from Ryanair to hand? I have been told £300 for a LTC per month but no info about TRI or TRE pay. Some of the Airlines' own websites publish figures on recruitment pages, but many do not and I can't find my old BALPA sheets which had some good info either. Not that many Airlines are recruiting at the moment......!
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Mike..
Everything from a few fringe benefits to +50%, the regulator being supply and demand.
In some airlines the sim breaks from exhausting E-W flights is enough to supply instructors at no extra cost, while the unknown 3rd world startup operator must have enough expat TREs to get the show going, and that is reflected in the extra pay.
If you compare a busy TRE with a line pilot in such an airline, the extra pay may be up to 10-15.000 USD/mth, but only as long as the demand is there.
Just like with line pilots - no premiums are paid for high standard or quals - only for the minimum required to fill a slot. In the current environment that means: if the TRI/TRE/CP walks - the pay goes up; if they stay, the pay goes down. Simpel, isn´t it.....
T.
Everything from a few fringe benefits to +50%, the regulator being supply and demand.
In some airlines the sim breaks from exhausting E-W flights is enough to supply instructors at no extra cost, while the unknown 3rd world startup operator must have enough expat TREs to get the show going, and that is reflected in the extra pay.
If you compare a busy TRE with a line pilot in such an airline, the extra pay may be up to 10-15.000 USD/mth, but only as long as the demand is there.
Just like with line pilots - no premiums are paid for high standard or quals - only for the minimum required to fill a slot. In the current environment that means: if the TRI/TRE/CP walks - the pay goes up; if they stay, the pay goes down. Simpel, isn´t it.....
T.
