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democracy distorted
latest news from ryanair.democracy has been cancelled.the iranians are counting the vote and cannot agree the percentage win,because the zimbabweans forgot to forge extra votes.
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Interesting that Shady got permission to speak about the Unions to work "mates" during flight duties.
The result of the BALPA recognition ballot at EMA is......................in the mail to the inbox of each EMA pilot, in the post to Jim McAuslan and in email form to the company.
You will find out in due course, but the people who need to know come first.
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"Company Time" are you now rostered to spout your dribble on company time. How does that appear on your roster. Hope you are not in breach of our flight time limitations, and getting the required rest period etc etc.
Interesting, but take care when in front of a judge. We don't want you'll telling lies and end up in the can. You know all about Unity then - little friend.
Any news -
Interesting, but take care when in front of a judge. We don't want you'll telling lies and end up in the can. You know all about Unity then - little friend.
Any news -
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Ahhhh, Slim thank god you're still with us (thats not patronising I'm genuinely pleased!!). So, it seems like a big NO from the EMA base judging by the upbeat nature of your post. We continue to see what happens elsewhere.
For those of you who were concerned throughout the afternoon, you'll be pleased to hear that I didn't implode with the tension and the pants have remained fully intact.
And now I'm off to the pub. Taxi!!
For those of you who were concerned throughout the afternoon, you'll be pleased to hear that I didn't implode with the tension and the pants have remained fully intact.
And now I'm off to the pub. Taxi!!
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That's the spirit Scared One: change things every time it is pointed out what a complete debacle every one of your statements turns out to be.
No one believes a word you write: you have been roundly discredited and your threats are, frankly, about as credible as BALPA's chances of getting recognition in the gent's toilet in the concourse of Waterloo station.
You and your chums have not been able to provide anyone with a valid reason, not one single reason, to ally themselves with you: on the contrary, I have, together with my colleagues who have no stomach for BALPA stupidity, been able to present a case why the pilots should not accede to your brow beating.
You have been humiliated, again: your only resort is the usual tactic of playing the man and not the ball.
Go away, lick your wounds and get a life.
No one believes a word you write: you have been roundly discredited and your threats are, frankly, about as credible as BALPA's chances of getting recognition in the gent's toilet in the concourse of Waterloo station.
You and your chums have not been able to provide anyone with a valid reason, not one single reason, to ally themselves with you: on the contrary, I have, together with my colleagues who have no stomach for BALPA stupidity, been able to present a case why the pilots should not accede to your brow beating.
You have been humiliated, again: your only resort is the usual tactic of playing the man and not the ball.
Go away, lick your wounds and get a life.
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The Real Slim Shady - as you and your fellow travellers speak in riddles it is difficult to work out what has actually happened. I fear, however, by your foolish remarks that the vote has gone against BALPA. If so, a massive opportunity has been missed by all Ryanair pilots to escape from 18th century poor house practices and embrace 21st century industrial relations. Nonetheless, I am a democrat and if that is how the pilots have voted, then so be it. I am disappointed more than I can say that there are so few people with the foresight to see what an opportunity has escaped them. The truth is that down the generations people have preferred the slavery they know to the freedom they had only heard of. To watch one's fellow professionals act like lemmings jumping off a cliff is truly dire - in years to come many of you will look back with shame and embarrassment at this moment. You, alas, deserve all you are going to get at the hands of the blessed Michael - I am truly astounded.
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That sums it up very succinctly NSF. One can only wonder at the mental capacity of the likes of TRSS. "I only campaign against the union on my own time." And then when exposed as having campaigned on company time, " I asked for permission." What an unedifying vision that conjures up. "Please, sir, may I have permission to campaign against the union on company time?" "There's a good boy, of course you can". "Yes sir, thank you sir, what would you like me to say sir, and if there's anything else I can do sir...."
What an unmitigated disaster it is for pilots as a professional group to have twerps like TRSS and his ilk among our ranks. History will show that their supine, sycophantic sucking up to the likes of MOL and his minions did more to destroy our profession than MOL could ever have dreamed of achieving by their own efforts. TRSS and his offensive weapon make my flesh crawl..And if that constitutes attacking the man so be it. He well deserves it.
What an unmitigated disaster it is for pilots as a professional group to have twerps like TRSS and his ilk among our ranks. History will show that their supine, sycophantic sucking up to the likes of MOL and his minions did more to destroy our profession than MOL could ever have dreamed of achieving by their own efforts. TRSS and his offensive weapon make my flesh crawl..And if that constitutes attacking the man so be it. He well deserves it.
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If staff were unionised the closure of these bases would become a nightmare for FR
I had the good sense to clear my " activities" with the management first, just to make certain that it wouldn't be stepping on toes, breaking any rules or cause any problems for them, or my colleagues.
"So bloggs, good news about the scum from Balpa being well stitched up isn't it?"
"Well actually actually Capt Shady, or may I call you Slim, I did rather hope for a different outcome"
"Oh bad luck old chap I didn't realise that you were involved in that pathetic group of conspirators who wanted to bring down our wonderful airline. Still we should have a good week together shouldn't we. By the way have you met Ms Sky in the cabin, she's with us all day"
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Quote from Tooloose
Says it all really .......
I hope the EMA base continues to be well "represented" by it's ERC.
Good luck guys, you're going to need it !
"I only campaign against the union on my own time." And then when exposed as having campaigned on company time, " I asked for permission."
Says it all really .......
I hope the EMA base continues to be well "represented" by it's ERC.
Good luck guys, you're going to need it !
Indeed. And now you will be unprotected from MOL, both in law and in reality.
And if things get bad and you decide to work to rule?
Have a look at this advice on working to rule:
You would never ever guess who wrote this... Click here to find out!
And if things get bad and you decide to work to rule?
Have a look at this advice on working to rule:
Work to rule?
Before you consider going down that road the prime consideration has to be absolute solidarity and the backing of the union.
Otherwise it is easy for the management to "pick off" one or two of the leaders and subject them to a flawed disciplinary process.
This has a variety of benefits for the management: firstly, if they are sufficiently astute they will select a couple of victims who cannot possibly claim racial or sexual or health and safety in their defence. This limits absolutely the power of the Industrial Tribunal to make an award; in addition, even if the Tribunal orders the company to restore the victims to their jobs and to compensate their losses the law is toothless and the decison is not enforcable if the company decide to decline. Which of course they will.
Secondly, the victim, who is immediately suspended, and thereby isolated from his / her colleagues, can be selected for their role, or perceived role, in leading the dispute, thereby, hacking away at the leadership.
Since they will ultimately move through the disciplinary process, frustrated at every turn it discourages their colleagues, who see this, from "breaking ranks"; finally, when the process is exhausted they find themselves out of a job and the company has rid itself, very cheaply, of 2 or 3 "troublemakers".
So you see, in some cases, the Industrial Tribunal and Disciplinary process is actually just another tool the company can use which has absolutely no benefit whatsoever for the workforce.
Unite or perish.
Before you consider going down that road the prime consideration has to be absolute solidarity and the backing of the union.
Otherwise it is easy for the management to "pick off" one or two of the leaders and subject them to a flawed disciplinary process.
This has a variety of benefits for the management: firstly, if they are sufficiently astute they will select a couple of victims who cannot possibly claim racial or sexual or health and safety in their defence. This limits absolutely the power of the Industrial Tribunal to make an award; in addition, even if the Tribunal orders the company to restore the victims to their jobs and to compensate their losses the law is toothless and the decison is not enforcable if the company decide to decline. Which of course they will.
Secondly, the victim, who is immediately suspended, and thereby isolated from his / her colleagues, can be selected for their role, or perceived role, in leading the dispute, thereby, hacking away at the leadership.
Since they will ultimately move through the disciplinary process, frustrated at every turn it discourages their colleagues, who see this, from "breaking ranks"; finally, when the process is exhausted they find themselves out of a job and the company has rid itself, very cheaply, of 2 or 3 "troublemakers".
So you see, in some cases, the Industrial Tribunal and Disciplinary process is actually just another tool the company can use which has absolutely no benefit whatsoever for the workforce.
Unite or perish.
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Let's face it, if you know what you're getting into before applying Ryanair is not a bad place to start your career. Get in and get a couple of thousand hours of jet time and get out. There's no point bitching and moaning once you find yourself in a situation that you don't like. Get out or stay put, you decide.
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Get out or stay put, you decide.
I hope they have a long and rewarding career as a business cost in a non-unionised carrier. 30 years will be a long time with MoL and successors bearing down on them. Good luck.
I think you have to remember that EMA is the centre of training so theres alot of TRE/TRI or SFIs around who will have had plenty of opportunity to be brainwashed and /or the chance to kiss ass in the hope of climbing the greasy pole!
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HundredPercent Please,
Yes, amazing isn't it how "loyalties" can change in the space of less than 3 yrs, and so virulent with it too, I have seen a few like that in FR.
Aldente / tocamak / Tooloose / NSF I think you have summed it up pretty well.
I never fail to be amazed at the lack of foresight, imagination, balls, maturity, & indeed dignity & (self) respect , shown by individuals let loose supposedly in charge of a public transport category aircraft yet with myopia so severe that they can't see beyond the self interest sitting on the end of their little snouts.
Aforesaid snouts will have to be pushed even further into the trough from now on, the "feeders" will be throwing less in, and won't really feel the need to reciprocate their touching loyalty by throwing them some tasty tit-bits.
All done & dusted for the next 3 yrs then lads, we will give you a call next time around then ya spineless judas's. Bah ! 
Yes, amazing isn't it how "loyalties" can change in the space of less than 3 yrs, and so virulent with it too, I have seen a few like that in FR.
Aldente / tocamak / Tooloose / NSF I think you have summed it up pretty well.
I never fail to be amazed at the lack of foresight, imagination, balls, maturity, & indeed dignity & (self) respect , shown by individuals let loose supposedly in charge of a public transport category aircraft yet with myopia so severe that they can't see beyond the self interest sitting on the end of their little snouts.
Aforesaid snouts will have to be pushed even further into the trough from now on, the "feeders" will be throwing less in, and won't really feel the need to reciprocate their touching loyalty by throwing them some tasty tit-bits.
All done & dusted for the next 3 yrs then lads, we will give you a call next time around then ya spineless judas's. Bah !
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If the Unions are locked out for another 3 years.
Standby for the stampede of reductions.
The so called 4 year deals, that barely last 1 year, will now be decimated.
The ERC's will be text'n us to inform us if we don't accept the new deal on offer, we'll revert back to the feared 5/3, or they are also thinking of closing the base if we don't accept.
Standby for the stampede of reductions.
The so called 4 year deals, that barely last 1 year, will now be decimated.
The ERC's will be text'n us to inform us if we don't accept the new deal on offer, we'll revert back to the feared 5/3, or they are also thinking of closing the base if we don't accept.
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I believe Slim is reffering to the non secret ballot, the one by which you can be identified by your reply.
You know the sort that means they know who voted what and hence intimidation plays a massive part.
You know the sort that means they know who voted what and hence intimidation plays a massive part.