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Hello,
I am currently looking at converting my FAA ATP into a JAA ATPL. My main goal is to obtain work in Romania, preferably Carpatair, since I am a Romanian citizen and used to live in the area(Timisoara). I have about 4300 hrs total time with enough experience to skip the type rating course during the conversion, so its just a matter of passing the 14 exams, getting a medical and passing the practical.
My question to you would be, what is the company outlook in regards to hiring at Carpatiar, or even Tarom in the next few months? What is approx pay for FO? I have read anywhere between 900 and 2000 euro per month net, is this correct? I would be very happy to hear from anybody working there, feel free to PM.
If your wondering why I would want to leave the States to do this, its been kind of a goal of mine to return home and I am currently furloughed from my company with hopes of getting called back anytime soon being slim to none. The money invested into converting my license is a risk I am willing to take. Thanks in advance for any help or advice and fly safe
I am currently looking at converting my FAA ATP into a JAA ATPL. My main goal is to obtain work in Romania, preferably Carpatair, since I am a Romanian citizen and used to live in the area(Timisoara). I have about 4300 hrs total time with enough experience to skip the type rating course during the conversion, so its just a matter of passing the 14 exams, getting a medical and passing the practical.
My question to you would be, what is the company outlook in regards to hiring at Carpatiar, or even Tarom in the next few months? What is approx pay for FO? I have read anywhere between 900 and 2000 euro per month net, is this correct? I would be very happy to hear from anybody working there, feel free to PM.
If your wondering why I would want to leave the States to do this, its been kind of a goal of mine to return home and I am currently furloughed from my company with hopes of getting called back anytime soon being slim to none. The money invested into converting my license is a risk I am willing to take. Thanks in advance for any help or advice and fly safe
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Hi,
I understand your situation. I live in Europe. I have appx 4000 hours total time and Type Ratings in B744, B747, LR-Jet and IA-Jet.
I have a FAA ATP. In late 2006, I began the process of taking all 14 JAA ATPL exams. 6 months later I passed all the exams. Then I got a JAR Class 1 medical which costs several hundred euros. Then I took a few hours training in a Seneca and took a checkride and received a ME/Comm/IR...JAR. Big deal. why? Because it is not the AtPL. If I want a JAA Atpl then the pilot has to do a checkride in a JaR part 25 aircraft or sim. (basically a multi-crew aircraft over 12,500 pounds). The JAA will not simply give you the Atpl because you have thousands of hours and type ratings on a FAA license. They don't care. I also had to fight for 4 months to convice them that I did not need to take a MCC course. That was difficult. There is no such thing as conversion!! I hate to hear this word, conversion! So, I looked at getting a type rating that I already had on my FAA license, i.e. Learjet 35. The people at Simuflite will tell you they are JAA approved and have JAA examiners...big deal....why? because they will put the type rating on your JAA ME/Comm/IR. They CANNOT issue an ATPL, only the JAA participating country's authority is able to issue the JAR FCL. Oh and oh yeah, this has to be done as a checkride in the actual aircraft. So I would have to rent a Learjet for a couple of hours to perform the exact same crap I could have done in the sim in the USA. Then you ask yourself, well why don't you just do the sim training in Europe...hahaha, because it will honestly cost 5 times as much just because it is in Europe and not the US...even though it is the same damn company, i.e. Simuflite. Incredible. JAA/ME/IR Comm pilots are a dime a dozen over here. Who cares. Companies want to see that you have an ATPL....whic you do not....so you are equal to the pilot with 200 hours in a Cessna 172. Oh and by the way, if you don not have at leat 500 hours in THE EXACT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT the company operates then you are out of luck...actually the European company will frown on your experience because they prefer "cadets" that they can manipulate and make pay for everything. An experienced FO is a liability not an asset. There are 2 paths today, a DE Captain with hundreds of hours in TYPE or a cadet with virtually no time. I'm telling you the truth and I wish more folks would wake up to the fact. Remember, there is no such thing as a FAA to JAA conversion, it is a lie. I know! You have to do everything from scratch all over again. There are some websites that say that if you have thousands of hours in a particular jet then you are exempt from completing all the exams, etc, etc. It is bs.
I understand your situation. I live in Europe. I have appx 4000 hours total time and Type Ratings in B744, B747, LR-Jet and IA-Jet.
I have a FAA ATP. In late 2006, I began the process of taking all 14 JAA ATPL exams. 6 months later I passed all the exams. Then I got a JAR Class 1 medical which costs several hundred euros. Then I took a few hours training in a Seneca and took a checkride and received a ME/Comm/IR...JAR. Big deal. why? Because it is not the AtPL. If I want a JAA Atpl then the pilot has to do a checkride in a JaR part 25 aircraft or sim. (basically a multi-crew aircraft over 12,500 pounds). The JAA will not simply give you the Atpl because you have thousands of hours and type ratings on a FAA license. They don't care. I also had to fight for 4 months to convice them that I did not need to take a MCC course. That was difficult. There is no such thing as conversion!! I hate to hear this word, conversion! So, I looked at getting a type rating that I already had on my FAA license, i.e. Learjet 35. The people at Simuflite will tell you they are JAA approved and have JAA examiners...big deal....why? because they will put the type rating on your JAA ME/Comm/IR. They CANNOT issue an ATPL, only the JAA participating country's authority is able to issue the JAR FCL. Oh and oh yeah, this has to be done as a checkride in the actual aircraft. So I would have to rent a Learjet for a couple of hours to perform the exact same crap I could have done in the sim in the USA. Then you ask yourself, well why don't you just do the sim training in Europe...hahaha, because it will honestly cost 5 times as much just because it is in Europe and not the US...even though it is the same damn company, i.e. Simuflite. Incredible. JAA/ME/IR Comm pilots are a dime a dozen over here. Who cares. Companies want to see that you have an ATPL....whic you do not....so you are equal to the pilot with 200 hours in a Cessna 172. Oh and by the way, if you don not have at leat 500 hours in THE EXACT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT the company operates then you are out of luck...actually the European company will frown on your experience because they prefer "cadets" that they can manipulate and make pay for everything. An experienced FO is a liability not an asset. There are 2 paths today, a DE Captain with hundreds of hours in TYPE or a cadet with virtually no time. I'm telling you the truth and I wish more folks would wake up to the fact. Remember, there is no such thing as a FAA to JAA conversion, it is a lie. I know! You have to do everything from scratch all over again. There are some websites that say that if you have thousands of hours in a particular jet then you are exempt from completing all the exams, etc, etc. It is bs.
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What happened after you returned to Europe? Are you employed as flight crew currently?
I appreciate your info, I haven't started this process (not conversion as you say) yet. I have spoken to one of these flight schools and they claim that once you pass all your written exams and a checkride in a multi-engine aircraft that they will only issue you a comm/me/ir license, as you had stated before, but that license can be sent to the UK CAA along with an application which they will then convert to a full JAA ATPL, with no additional type rating exam requiered. I have also requested info from the Romanian CAA director of licensing and will post the information he gives me once I get a reply.
Can you or anyone else quote the specific JAR's that deal with this issue? Or is there a website that offers a free copy of the JAR's so I may look it up myself? Also what about section G1.5 in LASORS? That seems to contradict what you say about conversion requirements...
Thanks for the help...
I appreciate your info, I haven't started this process (not conversion as you say) yet. I have spoken to one of these flight schools and they claim that once you pass all your written exams and a checkride in a multi-engine aircraft that they will only issue you a comm/me/ir license, as you had stated before, but that license can be sent to the UK CAA along with an application which they will then convert to a full JAA ATPL, with no additional type rating exam requiered. I have also requested info from the Romanian CAA director of licensing and will post the information he gives me once I get a reply.
Can you or anyone else quote the specific JAR's that deal with this issue? Or is there a website that offers a free copy of the JAR's so I may look it up myself? Also what about section G1.5 in LASORS? That seems to contradict what you say about conversion requirements...
Thanks for the help...
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Check out the Canada forum ...subject Canadian ATPL to JAA ..there is a link ...you will find much of the info you are looking for ....be carefull what TRTOs and schools tell you ..
lotsa luck
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lotsa luck
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Hi,
I'm sure the UK will issue you the AtPL license if you did your ME/IR/Comm checkride in a multicrew JAR part 25 aircraft. Maybe that is in the fine print somewhere. It is wise to get this information directly from the CAA and not the Flightschool in the USA. Also, you have to consider doing the MCC rating or applying for exemption based on your experience.
I'm sure the UK will issue you the AtPL license if you did your ME/IR/Comm checkride in a multicrew JAR part 25 aircraft. Maybe that is in the fine print somewhere. It is wise to get this information directly from the CAA and not the Flightschool in the USA. Also, you have to consider doing the MCC rating or applying for exemption based on your experience.
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hi everyone, i had almost the same question sooi thought i would revive this thread.
I have an ICAO ATPL and am looking at getting a Romanian ATPL Validation.
see here:
http://www.caa.ro/en/Licensing/faq.html
Has anyone done this? If so can you tell me how long it took, what the costs were, and what was involved?
Thanks
i_n
I have an ICAO ATPL and am looking at getting a Romanian ATPL Validation.
see here:
http://www.caa.ro/en/Licensing/faq.html
4. As an ICAO Contracting state, Romania can validate foreign licenses issued according with Annex 1 to the Convention, the license holder must provide the Romanian CAA with the specific copies of the documents that proved their competences and medical fitness. There is a specific fee for validation of foreign licenses. Detailed requirements concerning the validation of foreign licenses are to be found in specific regulations pertaining to each category of aeronautical personnel.
Thanks
i_n
