Jetstream 41 - Romania
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Thanks for your comments. Actually I have been to Bucharest a few times. No offence intended against you or your country but I am extensively travelled and have lived in many countries. Romania would not be MY personal choice that's all.
It just never ceases to amaze and disappoint me however what some people will do in this game. It is supposed to be a profession with intelligent professionals flying aeroplanes. At least that is what is was. Now it is just a rich mans hobby or the quickest and surest way to throw your life away.
What kind of "professional" invests £100k on their future and then leaves their wife, children and home to work for peanuts in an expensive rented (probably shared) flat in a country they would never choose to even visit?
You would have to be seriously deranged to consider this a career.
Anyhow, enjoy Bucharest, I'm off back to the palm trees, mermaids and orange coconuts! You got a light?
Thanks for your comments. Actually I have been to Bucharest a few times. No offence intended against you or your country but I am extensively travelled and have lived in many countries. Romania would not be MY personal choice that's all.
It just never ceases to amaze and disappoint me however what some people will do in this game. It is supposed to be a profession with intelligent professionals flying aeroplanes. At least that is what is was. Now it is just a rich mans hobby or the quickest and surest way to throw your life away.
What kind of "professional" invests £100k on their future and then leaves their wife, children and home to work for peanuts in an expensive rented (probably shared) flat in a country they would never choose to even visit?
You would have to be seriously deranged to consider this a career.
Anyhow, enjoy Bucharest, I'm off back to the palm trees, mermaids and orange coconuts! You got a light?
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And for Dannutz - what is the local beer like? Bet it's not real ale but more lagerish?
...you are right ....it's not real ale....but it is quite good ....depends on everyone's taste
Yep, the local beer is more like a lager or pilsener. It is not bad. I have also not felt ripped of in Bucarest. The beggars are a nuicance though. I have been to the historic center of town which has some nice enough places to hang out. The menues are availabe in English, still, prices are very reasonabe. I would go as far as saying dirt cheap. I do agree that housing is too expensive but that is also true for the locals who are having a hard time on the local salaries. I spoke to a few locals (all of them in aviation) an they all have been helpful and friendly and I don't speak a word of the language. I flew as a pax (in uniform) on Blue Air the other day and got chatting to the cabin crew. I asked them if the taxies at the airport would accept Euros and how much I should pay for the trip to the hotel and they offered to give me a lift. Had a friendly chat with them on the way and when they dropped me off I tried to give em a bit of money for the fuel and they would not accept it. One of them said that they don't like the gypsies because they give Romania a bad name etc. but apart from that they seemed very oppen and that includes foreigners. If you read this guys , thanks again!
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they are a lot of better places to live then romania....but 3rd world country i think is too much said 
....let's end this here, and talk about jetstream 41 
...i am curious to find out new things about this a/c...especially training...thx
....let's end this here, and talk about jetstream 41 ...i am curious to find out new things about this a/c...especially training...thx
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Seems to be a risky time to expand an airline, anyone know what sort of routes they will be operating?
If the aircraft are coming from Eastern, I would guess that eastern will be providing the training as well, possibly engineering and some flight crew support in the early stages. There are only two J41 simulators, one at Humberside with Eastern, and the other in the USA.
There are some aircraft manuals here:
If the aircraft are coming from Eastern, I would guess that eastern will be providing the training as well, possibly engineering and some flight crew support in the early stages. There are only two J41 simulators, one at Humberside with Eastern, and the other in the USA.
There are some aircraft manuals here:
Happyjack,
"What kind of "professional" invests £100k on their future and then leaves their wife, children and home to work for peanuts in an expensive rented (probably shared) flat in a country they would never choose to even visit?"
I'm seriously considering this and if offered the opportunity will probably take it up. I didn't invest £100k on my future - I washed aeroplanes and cut the grass at a flying club to help pay for flying lessons, and after 22 years of full time employment as a pilot (with a suitable number of flying hours to match) and having flown in the left hand seat of piston, turboprop and jet aircraft of varying sorts I find myself unemployed and receiving £60 per week in job seekers allowance, hence I have time to sit and post this.
I would be interested to know how you decide that flying a J41 in Romania will make me somehow less professional than flying a 737 in Spain? I would also be very pleased to know which pub it is that you can earn 2800 Euros per month in, most of the pubs where I live are paying minimum wage to bar staff at the moment, and none of the ones I have tried have any vacancies at the moment anyway...
"What kind of "professional" invests £100k on their future and then leaves their wife, children and home to work for peanuts in an expensive rented (probably shared) flat in a country they would never choose to even visit?"
I'm seriously considering this and if offered the opportunity will probably take it up. I didn't invest £100k on my future - I washed aeroplanes and cut the grass at a flying club to help pay for flying lessons, and after 22 years of full time employment as a pilot (with a suitable number of flying hours to match) and having flown in the left hand seat of piston, turboprop and jet aircraft of varying sorts I find myself unemployed and receiving £60 per week in job seekers allowance, hence I have time to sit and post this.
I would be interested to know how you decide that flying a J41 in Romania will make me somehow less professional than flying a 737 in Spain? I would also be very pleased to know which pub it is that you can earn 2800 Euros per month in, most of the pubs where I live are paying minimum wage to bar staff at the moment, and none of the ones I have tried have any vacancies at the moment anyway...
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Lately I see many pilot openings in Eastern Europe and I was wondering how is that possible when the whole world goes through some tough time? I have tried to explain myself this economic nonsense. The only conclusion I was able to come up with is that countries such as Romania, with total lack of economy, still has some money given by EU left to spend. All this money have been derailed to local mafia which now is trying to make a profit out of it. They have no clue how to run a business but they have the money and try to cover themselves with some business plans hoping to make more money. According to aviation's principle where you need to spend 100 dollars to make one dollar, probably their stolen money will go fast, so the guys getting a job on those places will be on the streets again soon. So these jobs might be futile anyway. 
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If the rumour of 4 aircraft is true, and in the current climate, I reckon it must be some sort of highly secure contract work that has been won. Someone mentions earlier in the thread that the parent company already does Post flights?
Either a pax service for a government agency, or they will be taking the seats out and moving parcels and mailbags.....
Either a pax service for a government agency, or they will be taking the seats out and moving parcels and mailbags.....
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Agency info talks about morning and afternoon pax flights and a cargo flight in the evening finishing before midnight.....and for each pilot 80 block flying hours per month.
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One of them said that they don't like the gypsies because they give Romania a bad name etc.
Well, being 'from the region' I dare to say that Romania and its population has Romas inherent to that society. Much more than other Central European or Balkan countries. There's not that big difference in the looks, whether more 'Turkish' or 'Greek' looks or Roma/Gypsy.
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begging is nuissance
excrab is right.
Pro flying job is just that. If what they could offer doesn't suit you, why complaining, just forget it. 'Western salaries' aren't worldwide for that reason. If some Asian airlines need expats and can shell out for decent salaries, why not.
Although my experience is mainly negative regarding Romania or Bulgaria and their nationals, there's lots of bad apples everywhere and if one went by the experience of, say Czech expats/illegals in the USA, they'd conclude that the country's full of convicts..
You guys can't forget that the 'further away' you go from Western Europe and Med tourist destinations, the less foreigners actually living in those countries. Whether more of a novelty, or opportunity to rip them off.
I do remember 'tourist rates' in Central Europe that were 3-4x higher for Austrians, Germans etc (hotels, services, tourism) as mere mortal local wouldn't afford it and local rates would be laughably low for Westerners.
End of rant. Get a grip.
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One of them said that they don't like the gypsies because they give Romania a bad name etc.
Ehm, after checking with Wiki, there's almost 2mil of Romani/Gypsies/Travellers which is about 9%, but stats are never great, likely to be more.
Well, being 'from the region' I dare to say that Romania and its population has Romas inherent to that society. Much more than other Central European or Balkan countries. There's not that big difference in the looks, whether more 'Turkish' or 'Greek' looks or Roma/Gypsy.
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pi$$-take
Well, average/sort of middle class and if anything below, population feels that way just by living in the country. You can't compare expat salaries for everywhere. They definitely are more than reasonable for local price levels.
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begging is nuissance
Some Romanian travellers already having travelled to the UK and Ireland and exported these traditions to cities here. Whole gangs/families.
excrab is right.
Pro flying job is just that. If what they could offer doesn't suit you, why complaining, just forget it. 'Western salaries' aren't worldwide for that reason. If some Asian airlines need expats and can shell out for decent salaries, why not.
Although my experience is mainly negative regarding Romania or Bulgaria and their nationals, there's lots of bad apples everywhere and if one went by the experience of, say Czech expats/illegals in the USA, they'd conclude that the country's full of convicts..
You guys can't forget that the 'further away' you go from Western Europe and Med tourist destinations, the less foreigners actually living in those countries. Whether more of a novelty, or opportunity to rip them off.
I do remember 'tourist rates' in Central Europe that were 3-4x higher for Austrians, Germans etc (hotels, services, tourism) as mere mortal local wouldn't afford it and local rates would be laughably low for Westerners.
End of rant. Get a grip.
One of them said that they don't like the gypsies because they give Romania a bad name etc.
Ehm, after checking with Wiki, there's almost 2mil of Romani/Gypsies/Travellers which is about 9%, but stats are never great, likely to be more.
Well, being 'from the region' I dare to say that Romania and its population has Romas inherent to that society. Much more than other Central European or Balkan countries. There's not that big difference in the looks, whether more 'Turkish' or 'Greek' looks or Roma/Gypsy.
Quote:
pi$$-take
Well, average/sort of middle class and if anything below, population feels that way just by living in the country. You can't compare expat salaries for everywhere. They definitely are more than reasonable for local price levels.
Quote:
begging is nuissance
Some Romanian travellers already having travelled to the UK and Ireland and exported these traditions to cities here. Whole gangs/families.
excrab is right.
Pro flying job is just that. If what they could offer doesn't suit you, why complaining, just forget it. 'Western salaries' aren't worldwide for that reason. If some Asian airlines need expats and can shell out for decent salaries, why not.
Although my experience is mainly negative regarding Romania or Bulgaria and their nationals, there's lots of bad apples everywhere and if one went by the experience of, say Czech expats/illegals in the USA, they'd conclude that the country's full of convicts..
You guys can't forget that the 'further away' you go from Western Europe and Med tourist destinations, the less foreigners actually living in those countries. Whether more of a novelty, or opportunity to rip them off.
I do remember 'tourist rates' in Central Europe that were 3-4x higher for Austrians, Germans etc (hotels, services, tourism) as mere mortal local wouldn't afford it and local rates would be laughably low for Westerners.
End of rant. Get a grip.
ROMA is a generic term for gypsies/romany. But it is also the name of a city in Italy. ROME - ROMA - CAPITAL of ITALY. (Ya know, where Vatican is..etc..etc.).Pff....('')
Romani (as gypsies call themselves, sometimes with an "i", sometimes with a "y" at the end, and generic "ROMA"), is also the term used to describe the inhabitants of a country called ROMANIA, the last country to bear the name of the old ROMAN EMPIRE.
In the Romanian language: "Romani" means Romanians. Natives of ROMANIA, a EU member nation.
To the uneducated citizens of Europe and the rest of the world it seems very easy to confuse the ROMANIANS (native inhabitants of Romania since at least the ROMAN EMPIRE times, A.D. 100), with ROMA/ROMANI/Y, an ethnic population/race which migrated towards Europe around A.D. 1322.
In view of the recent events in Italy, one needs to be aware of the fact that gypsies assumed the name of ROMA/ROMANI/Y, therefore creating the confusion between the name of ROMANIA and ROMANIANS (the native inhabitants of ROMANIA), and ROMA/ROMANI/Y.
This was highly premeditated by the gypsies(natives of India) and had, as end result, confused Europe and the rest of the world.
If it is ROMA and ROMANI, they must come from ROMANIA, and therefore all ROMANIANS are gypsies. Whatta GAS !!..Oh boy !
Not only do gypsies identify with ROMANIA, but also with ROMA, Italy, therefore 2(two) countries are affected - Romania and Italy.
If gypsies call themselves ROMA, they must come from ROME, Italy. Right?
Also it is true they run that country. They are the politicians and the new mafia. They got all this power after the second war when no locals wanted to join the commies, so the ruskies replaced the locals with gypsies. In a way the Romanians are strangers in their own country. Kind like Native-Americans here. I traveled through Romania and although a first impression is screwed, once you travel deep country and get to know real locals they are wonderful and noble people. Real descedents of Romans.
The Soros Foundation is the author of this stupid invention called Roma integration decade. In fact, the only thing they wanted to get was to "grant" gypsies with a fake European identity. The victim was easy to find and easy to double-cross: the new and tormented state, with a new and confused democracy: Romania speacially being the only original locals and everybody else is a migrator in Europe, such as Bulgarians, Yogoslavians, Hungarians, Ukrainians.
Gipsies are from India and are among the last migrating people in Europe. They are very protected by UN
Rome and Romania, Roman Emperors, Byzantine Emperors, etc.
Well Excrab, as you ask:
My "what sort of professional...." line I knew would draw comments along the lines of "professionals that need a job etc." and I was waiting for it so here goes:
Like you I have 26 years exp now in this industry. I washed aircraft, laid on my back for hours in freezing cold hangars polishing the underside of aircraft, spent hours everyday handwashing hangar floors. I saved, begged and borrowed to get into this. I have flown fixed and rotarywing. Single pistons, twin pistons, turboprops, small, medium and large jets. I have both GA and airline experience. I have spent the 100k and I have worked damn hard over these years.
One thing I can say all my past employers in aviation have in common is that they have all lied to me, robbed me, exploited me and tossed me aside when it is convenient to do so. I am still waiting for ANY redundancy payments from any of them!
I, like you find myself out of work at this time but NOT getting the £60 a week that you are so I need a job more than anyone! I will not however accept that the last 26 years culminates in earning €2600 a month in Romania! And as for my comment about earning more in a pub...well yes you can. I worked in pubs in my teens and I was working 70 hours a week. You work it out! But 70 hours a week still means I go home, have a life outside work. Live some degree of normality.
One thing pilots have in common is their total inability to unite which has contributed largely to the huge downward spiral of our T's & C's in this profession.
Take the €2600 a month if that is what you want. Just don't come crying to me when in another 3 or 4 years you find the salary is €1500 a month. It is precisely because so many pilots will take any T's & C's that they just get progressively worse.
This is my job. This is how I make my living. I do not do it for sport, for fun. It is not a hobby. I have a professional licence. I expect to earn a fair wage from it. It is simply not acceptable to find every employer or potential employer expect me to subsidise the cost of their operation. Whether it be through paying for type ratings, renewals, medicals etc. Aviation costs money. Big money. If you don't have the money don't play the game.
Now you have got me thinking.......
Right. Got it.... JOB OPENINGS HERE:
This is easy. Right. Who wants a job flying? All you have to do is "contribute" 50k into my pot. When I have enough 50k's I buy an AOC and a nice cheap aircraft. I operate routes from airports no-one wants to fly to/from cos they will pay me to use their airports.Then I start line training pilots and they only pay me £100 an hour for it. Once they have checked the line that reduces to £10 per hour. Of course your medical and licence renewal are your problem. I will insist that you carry your credit cards when on duty as it will be needed for fuel. Spanners and hammers can be purchased from me at reasonable cost as all maintanance is strickly DIY! There is no salary but you do get to fly my wonderful aeroplane which is much better than money anyway! I can guarantee you 1000hrs a year as the law only lets you fly 900 until we get this changed!
I will however have to pay the flight attendant 20k a year as she is the only intelligent one who won't work for nothing!
I am on a winner here me thinks...........oh damn it. Too late, it's already happening!
My "what sort of professional...." line I knew would draw comments along the lines of "professionals that need a job etc." and I was waiting for it so here goes:
Like you I have 26 years exp now in this industry. I washed aircraft, laid on my back for hours in freezing cold hangars polishing the underside of aircraft, spent hours everyday handwashing hangar floors. I saved, begged and borrowed to get into this. I have flown fixed and rotarywing. Single pistons, twin pistons, turboprops, small, medium and large jets. I have both GA and airline experience. I have spent the 100k and I have worked damn hard over these years.
One thing I can say all my past employers in aviation have in common is that they have all lied to me, robbed me, exploited me and tossed me aside when it is convenient to do so. I am still waiting for ANY redundancy payments from any of them!
I, like you find myself out of work at this time but NOT getting the £60 a week that you are so I need a job more than anyone! I will not however accept that the last 26 years culminates in earning €2600 a month in Romania! And as for my comment about earning more in a pub...well yes you can. I worked in pubs in my teens and I was working 70 hours a week. You work it out! But 70 hours a week still means I go home, have a life outside work. Live some degree of normality.
One thing pilots have in common is their total inability to unite which has contributed largely to the huge downward spiral of our T's & C's in this profession.
Take the €2600 a month if that is what you want. Just don't come crying to me when in another 3 or 4 years you find the salary is €1500 a month. It is precisely because so many pilots will take any T's & C's that they just get progressively worse.
This is my job. This is how I make my living. I do not do it for sport, for fun. It is not a hobby. I have a professional licence. I expect to earn a fair wage from it. It is simply not acceptable to find every employer or potential employer expect me to subsidise the cost of their operation. Whether it be through paying for type ratings, renewals, medicals etc. Aviation costs money. Big money. If you don't have the money don't play the game.
Now you have got me thinking.......
Right. Got it.... JOB OPENINGS HERE:
This is easy. Right. Who wants a job flying? All you have to do is "contribute" 50k into my pot. When I have enough 50k's I buy an AOC and a nice cheap aircraft. I operate routes from airports no-one wants to fly to/from cos they will pay me to use their airports.Then I start line training pilots and they only pay me £100 an hour for it. Once they have checked the line that reduces to £10 per hour. Of course your medical and licence renewal are your problem. I will insist that you carry your credit cards when on duty as it will be needed for fuel. Spanners and hammers can be purchased from me at reasonable cost as all maintanance is strickly DIY! There is no salary but you do get to fly my wonderful aeroplane which is much better than money anyway! I can guarantee you 1000hrs a year as the law only lets you fly 900 until we get this changed!
I will however have to pay the flight attendant 20k a year as she is the only intelligent one who won't work for nothing!
I am on a winner here me thinks...........oh damn it. Too late, it's already happening!
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Countbat,
Thank you for the history lesson, 90 percent and the idea behind it - very correct.
One little thing though.. Romania is not run by gipsies, that is untrue. It is run by Romanians, by all means. The regions where gipsies are a majority are scarce. Population of Romania is about 22 milion, out of which, the minorities are spread as follows:
aprox 6.6% Hungarians, 2.5% gipsies and under 0.5% of other nationalities like Germans, Turks, Ucranians, etc.
Yes, gipsies are a big problem, because they are not civilised by any means and the former communist regime did a bad job regarding them as you correctly said in your post. On the other part, we are in the EU and it would be hard, impossible and politically incorect to send them all to where they came from hundreds of years ago. (although many many would like that very much indeed)
And yes, I say it again, they are a big problem. But one should not fall in the trap and think Romania is gypsyland and that you will get robbed at every step.
If you follow tourist-in-a-foreign-country common sense, Romania can be a pleasurable experience. You can get robbed on the streets of Berlin or Amsterdam or London or Bruselles or Dublin or Madrid or Paris, you name it.
There are a great deal (keeping the proportion) of foreign, western European pilots currently flying in Romania and enjoying it very much.
As for the more or less dubious financing of the Eastern European aviation companies and the fact that they need pilots, that is another matter. Think about the fact that unlike western Europe, the East has poor infrastructure and air travel started appeal to many, especially with the recent years drop in ticket prices. In Romania alone, there are 22 milion people spread on a surface as big as the UK, with just 1-5% of the infrastructure of the UK. Air travel can actually be a good business in Eastern Europe these days. And yes, the local companies probably are at an advantage, starting by knowing the local 'habits', but that is true for any country, don't you think?
So I would not necesarily follow the advice of those saying 'don't go and fly in Romania'. As it had been said here, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but for those who feel allright here, it might just be a decent job like any other.
And one more myth I feel necessary to brake. It is not true that pilot jobs in Romania are poorly paid. While not at par with the Western majors, the pay is decent -in the range og 2-3K EUR per month for an FO and 3.5-6 K EUR per month for a Capt- and one can surely make a good living out of it.
Sorry for the long post, but many untrue things have been said here and I am under the impression that they have been said with little to none local knowdlege whatsoever.
Thank you for the history lesson, 90 percent and the idea behind it - very correct.
One little thing though.. Romania is not run by gipsies, that is untrue. It is run by Romanians, by all means. The regions where gipsies are a majority are scarce. Population of Romania is about 22 milion, out of which, the minorities are spread as follows:
aprox 6.6% Hungarians, 2.5% gipsies and under 0.5% of other nationalities like Germans, Turks, Ucranians, etc.
Yes, gipsies are a big problem, because they are not civilised by any means and the former communist regime did a bad job regarding them as you correctly said in your post. On the other part, we are in the EU and it would be hard, impossible and politically incorect to send them all to where they came from hundreds of years ago. (although many many would like that very much indeed)
And yes, I say it again, they are a big problem. But one should not fall in the trap and think Romania is gypsyland and that you will get robbed at every step.
If you follow tourist-in-a-foreign-country common sense, Romania can be a pleasurable experience. You can get robbed on the streets of Berlin or Amsterdam or London or Bruselles or Dublin or Madrid or Paris, you name it.
There are a great deal (keeping the proportion) of foreign, western European pilots currently flying in Romania and enjoying it very much.
As for the more or less dubious financing of the Eastern European aviation companies and the fact that they need pilots, that is another matter. Think about the fact that unlike western Europe, the East has poor infrastructure and air travel started appeal to many, especially with the recent years drop in ticket prices. In Romania alone, there are 22 milion people spread on a surface as big as the UK, with just 1-5% of the infrastructure of the UK. Air travel can actually be a good business in Eastern Europe these days. And yes, the local companies probably are at an advantage, starting by knowing the local 'habits', but that is true for any country, don't you think?
So I would not necesarily follow the advice of those saying 'don't go and fly in Romania'. As it had been said here, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but for those who feel allright here, it might just be a decent job like any other.
And one more myth I feel necessary to brake. It is not true that pilot jobs in Romania are poorly paid. While not at par with the Western majors, the pay is decent -in the range og 2-3K EUR per month for an FO and 3.5-6 K EUR per month for a Capt- and one can surely make a good living out of it.
Sorry for the long post, but many untrue things have been said here and I am under the impression that they have been said with little to none local knowdlege whatsoever.
Happy Jack,
Ok I apologise, I've done the maths and you're right.
Working 70 hours a week in the pub I could earn £2800 per month. Thats 10 hours work a day 7 days a week. I'm not sure where I'm going to get to fit in a normal life though. Unless I decide to work 5 on 2 off in the pub. That would make it better, except that on my 5 days on I'm going to have to work 14 hours a day. I might have done it when I was 18, but I'm not going to do it now, if I had wanted to work hard i wouldn't have become a pilot.
We obviously have different expectations at the moment. You have decided to turn it down, as you say in your first post. I have decided to look at it, and if I should get an interview I can ask the questions and see what is being offered and make a decision. However the contract terms I have seen don't appear that bad (certainly not as bad as you say in your first post). To me it seems a fair renumeration for flying a small turboprop, based on the number of hours they are asking for from non-type rated pilots. It isn't jobs like this that have destroyed the industry, it is SSTRs from Easyjet, Ryan air and CTC.
Ok I apologise, I've done the maths and you're right.
Working 70 hours a week in the pub I could earn £2800 per month. Thats 10 hours work a day 7 days a week. I'm not sure where I'm going to get to fit in a normal life though. Unless I decide to work 5 on 2 off in the pub. That would make it better, except that on my 5 days on I'm going to have to work 14 hours a day. I might have done it when I was 18, but I'm not going to do it now, if I had wanted to work hard i wouldn't have become a pilot.
We obviously have different expectations at the moment. You have decided to turn it down, as you say in your first post. I have decided to look at it, and if I should get an interview I can ask the questions and see what is being offered and make a decision. However the contract terms I have seen don't appear that bad (certainly not as bad as you say in your first post). To me it seems a fair renumeration for flying a small turboprop, based on the number of hours they are asking for from non-type rated pilots. It isn't jobs like this that have destroyed the industry, it is SSTRs from Easyjet, Ryan air and CTC.
Well it is many things. I know there is only 1.07 euros to the pound right now but think back a year ago to what a euro is really worth. 1.50. €2600 euros=£1733 gross! Do you really consider that to be a fair deal for a cadet let alone a Captain, let alone having to live in Romania? I do not. I was earning more than that flying 18 years ago as an F/O with 2 weeks off a month.
Yes I was working 2x5 hour shifts in the pub daily. 70 hours a week and still had time for hobbies and girlfriends. (same thing). And I went home to my bed, (or hers), at night!
It's a really tough time right now for so many I know but when you consider that civil servants argue that they now have to pay commercial rates for good people, out of our taxes, why is it that pilots will work for nothing? Maybe we are just not good people?
As a local salary it may be all that can be expected but the job is not looking for locals. It is for expats and as such should pay an expat salary.
I know it is wishful thinking but if no-one showed any interest in it the offered pay would be €3500 next month and €4500 the month after. It is not rocket science. They pay peanuts because they can.
If you do decide to persue it I wish you the best but at least try to get them to pay you something respectful. After I am sure you respect yourself and your experience. So why don't they????
Yes I was working 2x5 hour shifts in the pub daily. 70 hours a week and still had time for hobbies and girlfriends. (same thing). And I went home to my bed, (or hers), at night!
It's a really tough time right now for so many I know but when you consider that civil servants argue that they now have to pay commercial rates for good people, out of our taxes, why is it that pilots will work for nothing? Maybe we are just not good people?
As a local salary it may be all that can be expected but the job is not looking for locals. It is for expats and as such should pay an expat salary.
I know it is wishful thinking but if no-one showed any interest in it the offered pay would be €3500 next month and €4500 the month after. It is not rocket science. They pay peanuts because they can.
If you do decide to persue it I wish you the best but at least try to get them to pay you something respectful. After I am sure you respect yourself and your experience. So why don't they????
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Countbat,
Thank you for the history lesson, 90 percent and the idea behind it - very correct.
One little thing though.. Romania is not run by gipsies, that is untrue. It is run by Romanians, by all means. The regions where gipsies are a majority are scarce. Population of Romania is about 22 milion, out of which, the minorities are spread as follows:
aprox 6.6% Hungarians, 2.5% gipsies and under 0.5% of other nationalities like Germans, Turks, Ucranians, etc.
Yes, gipsies are a big problem, because they are not civilised by any means and the former communist regime did a bad job regarding them as you correctly said in your post. On the other part, we are in the EU and it would be hard, impossible and politically incorect to send them all to where they came from hundreds of years ago. (although many many would like that very much indeed)
Thank you for the history lesson, 90 percent and the idea behind it - very correct.
One little thing though.. Romania is not run by gipsies, that is untrue. It is run by Romanians, by all means. The regions where gipsies are a majority are scarce. Population of Romania is about 22 milion, out of which, the minorities are spread as follows:
aprox 6.6% Hungarians, 2.5% gipsies and under 0.5% of other nationalities like Germans, Turks, Ucranians, etc.
Yes, gipsies are a big problem, because they are not civilised by any means and the former communist regime did a bad job regarding them as you correctly said in your post. On the other part, we are in the EU and it would be hard, impossible and politically incorect to send them all to where they came from hundreds of years ago. (although many many would like that very much indeed)
During my period there I tried to understand the non senses going on, the lack of local culture and intensive imitation of what's understood of western culture special American, extremely poverty among ordinary people, extremely over night rich few, bad manners and everybody's tendency to get something out of you, lack of work ethics. The only viable explanation I was able to get was from some very nice locals who explained to me what I posted earlier. They told me the real locals have been marginalized and the country is run by foreigners, special urbanized gypsies. Although they don't look anymore like traditional gypsy image, they are the ones robbing the country dry, impoverishes the locals, creating the Mafia and politicians. If I am wrong I apologize.
However I know 3 American investors friends who lost all their money in Romania to local habits. When someone is asking me how good of idea is to invest in that country I always say NO, if they care for their money. Personally I tried to start an historic project north of the country where V Legio Macedonica was stationed but I was stopped and asked for extremely outrages high bribes for something which they would have benefited anyway.
I also strongly believe UE is wrong giving money to that country because everything is, like I said, derailed to few mafia and politicians pockets. Sorry for locals. They don't deserve this.
