The 2009 'What is your take home pay' Thread
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LAN Peru 6th Yr FO
Net Basic: 3000USD/ 2000GBP 9 times a year, 6000USD/ 4000GBP 3 times a year
Net Productivity 30USD/ 20GBP starting @ hr 69.
Net Allowances avg. 700USD/ 470GBP per month
OW
Net Basic: 3000USD/ 2000GBP 9 times a year, 6000USD/ 4000GBP 3 times a year
Net Productivity 30USD/ 20GBP starting @ hr 69.
Net Allowances avg. 700USD/ 470GBP per month
OW
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Lufthansa Regional - Capt - Dash 8-Q400
€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.
120 days off per year, excellent roster protection and collective labour agreement. Stable base and route network and (almost) full LH benefits.
€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.
120 days off per year, excellent roster protection and collective labour agreement. Stable base and route network and (almost) full LH benefits.
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BA 767 SFO (9 years seniority)
£4900, nett. for a typical month
(day off working about £225 per day nett is excluded from this figure )
Basic is £66k gross (ish) to which approx £1600 allowances FHR etc etc is added.
Time to command now 17 years (estimate) .
It won't make you a rich man, but I'm happy !
(day off working about £225 per day nett is excluded from this figure )
Basic is £66k gross (ish) to which approx £1600 allowances FHR etc etc is added.
Time to command now 17 years (estimate) .
It won't make you a rich man, but I'm happy !
LLuke
Interesting that your gross (bruto) is the same as BA 747 Captains who are just junior to me. Adding your figures seems to give a tax/social cost at around 45% ?? Do you get taxed on the daily allowance ?
Dank U wel
Interesting that your gross (bruto) is the same as BA 747 Captains who are just junior to me. Adding your figures seems to give a tax/social cost at around 45% ?? Do you get taxed on the daily allowance ?
Dank U wel
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No tax on daily allowance. I am now 14 years with KLM (/KLC). The annual gross total is from 2008, just checked the overview to be sure. Income is split in parts, for the amount more than 54000€, 52% tax was paid in 2008.
I am sure the BA captains will start feeling better again when the GBP goes up, meanwhile I will buy them a beer in Dusk til Dawn...
I am sure the BA captains will start feeling better again when the GBP goes up, meanwhile I will buy them a beer in Dusk til Dawn...
Originally Posted by Knee Trembler
Lufthansa Regional - Capt - Dash 8-Q400
€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.
€2.200 net pm x 12 + allowances.
Please tell me this is typo! The numbers sound more like FA than Capt pay.
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Clandestino,
Funny you should say that. I compared my pay cheque with an FA recently and they were almost identical!
The German tax system is complex to say the least, but if, like me, your spouse has a proper job, you pay a relatively large amount of tax and they pay less, giving you more as a couple. It all gets sorted out on the annual tax return though.
Top line figures are still a little on the low side at around €4900 gross, before allowances (€200-€500 pm) but LH has a deal with the revenue (at least for the time being) where we get 16.3% tax free in lieu of holiday working (without that the net would be around €1800!). And the Collective Labour Agreement is the best I have experienced (better that BA and KLM). For me that is worth several hundred Euros per month. Also I am at my home base which, after several years of night stopping, is priceless.
I was at KLM before (and on the 30% deal which LLuke will know of) and would be getting about double the above gross figure there, but that, as they say, is another story!
KT
Funny you should say that. I compared my pay cheque with an FA recently and they were almost identical!
The German tax system is complex to say the least, but if, like me, your spouse has a proper job, you pay a relatively large amount of tax and they pay less, giving you more as a couple. It all gets sorted out on the annual tax return though.
Top line figures are still a little on the low side at around €4900 gross, before allowances (€200-€500 pm) but LH has a deal with the revenue (at least for the time being) where we get 16.3% tax free in lieu of holiday working (without that the net would be around €1800!). And the Collective Labour Agreement is the best I have experienced (better that BA and KLM). For me that is worth several hundred Euros per month. Also I am at my home base which, after several years of night stopping, is priceless.
I was at KLM before (and on the 30% deal which LLuke will know of) and would be getting about double the above gross figure there, but that, as they say, is another story!
KT
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Here and there...
No way that you can compare salaries even using same currencies.
Even if you know the "exchange rate" - It does not mean anything.
xxx
Look at yourself in USA - Low taxation - For you probably 20%.
But you probably have to pay your medical insurance, retirement plan... etc.
In many other countries, with high taxes, all that is taken off your salary.
xxx
Then in some countries, rent an apartment might be 25% of your salary.
In USA, I am certain, with your numbers, must be 40% of your gross salary.
Depends where you live. In Podunk, you can rent a studio for $500/month.
Consider other expenses - meals - transportation...
And realise all proportions are different. No way to compare.
You can only say "well paid" - or "not well paid"...
xxx
Happy contrails
Even if you know the "exchange rate" - It does not mean anything.
xxx
Look at yourself in USA - Low taxation - For you probably 20%.
But you probably have to pay your medical insurance, retirement plan... etc.
In many other countries, with high taxes, all that is taken off your salary.
xxx
Then in some countries, rent an apartment might be 25% of your salary.
In USA, I am certain, with your numbers, must be 40% of your gross salary.
Depends where you live. In Podunk, you can rent a studio for $500/month.
Consider other expenses - meals - transportation...
And realise all proportions are different. No way to compare.
You can only say "well paid" - or "not well paid"...
xxx
Happy contrails
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f/spninx re Virgin F/0
If you live in the Channel Islands and you are being paid in the Uk you still have to pay UK tax. You only come under C.I. tax laws if you are paid here.
However, there were lots of people working in UK in airlines and living and commuting from France and paying tax nowhere that cannot do that any more as the I.R. have closed that particular loophole. I heard from my son who is with another longhaul airline that is not BA that there was a house in Normandy that 17 people apparently lived in - but really lived in the UK, in other words they had an accommodation adress for the I.R. demands.
However, there were lots of people working in UK in airlines and living and commuting from France and paying tax nowhere that cannot do that any more as the I.R. have closed that particular loophole. I heard from my son who is with another longhaul airline that is not BA that there was a house in Normandy that 17 people apparently lived in - but really lived in the UK, in other words they had an accommodation adress for the I.R. demands.
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2nd year CRJ F/O with a german regional carrier, net minimum 2500€ and with some overtime and/or a lot of night stopping up to 3000€ pcm
Great thing is, pay is calculated on the basis of duty-time (not block hours or flight futy time), so every delay, positioning, aog, flight cancellation while on duty etc is considered on the month end for your pay.
LH Staff travel (albeit with a lower status than the real LH guys but great nonetheless) + benefits, a great bunch of collegues and a pretty stable roster + 42 days of vacation.
Downside is the long time to command, around 12 years minimum right now... I guess i will make the move to another airline sometime but until then i'm pretty happy with what i have :-)
Great thing is, pay is calculated on the basis of duty-time (not block hours or flight futy time), so every delay, positioning, aog, flight cancellation while on duty etc is considered on the month end for your pay.
LH Staff travel (albeit with a lower status than the real LH guys but great nonetheless) + benefits, a great bunch of collegues and a pretty stable roster + 42 days of vacation.
Downside is the long time to command, around 12 years minimum right now... I guess i will make the move to another airline sometime but until then i'm pretty happy with what i have :-)
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Continental Airlines
Third year FO on 737-300/500/700/800/900/900ER
$5500-$6500 Gross monthly plus $500-$700 per diem
Working about 76 to 84 hours per month
B Fund of 12.75% of annual pay put aside by company
Diminished medical benefits due to increased cost.
12-16 days off per month
Free unlimited domestic passes
4 free vacation passes a year for wife, kids and parents
Expensive buddy passes for travel
Jumpseat agreement on numerous domestic and international carrier
Could hold the 757/767. Would make a little bit more money however lose seniority and days off. Looking forward to a new contract as negotiation is going on. Just glad tostill be employed for now with all going on in the aviation today.
Third year FO on 737-300/500/700/800/900/900ER
$5500-$6500 Gross monthly plus $500-$700 per diem
Working about 76 to 84 hours per month
B Fund of 12.75% of annual pay put aside by company
Diminished medical benefits due to increased cost.
12-16 days off per month
Free unlimited domestic passes
4 free vacation passes a year for wife, kids and parents
Expensive buddy passes for travel
Jumpseat agreement on numerous domestic and international carrier
Could hold the 757/767. Would make a little bit more money however lose seniority and days off. Looking forward to a new contract as negotiation is going on. Just glad tostill be employed for now with all going on in the aviation today.
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2nd year F/O HK based airline A320/321, approx 15 years narrowbody jet experience :
After tax approx : 115,000 HKD ( 10,000 GBP ) deposited into my bank account monthly, 64,000 HKD goes directly to mortgage ( of which 80% is currently paid off principal )
1 month salary paid Chinese New Year annually.
Travel fund 50,000 HKD per annum
Full medical cover
School fees
After 3 years, 15% of 36 times your current basic wage paid as lump sum, then 15% per annum there after.
Profit sharing ( last year 1 months salary, no points for guessing this year )
10-12 days off/month, 10 weeks annual leave, CX staff travel.
and no, I don't work for HKA/HKE
But would happily forfeit all of the above for a decent job in Oz
After tax approx : 115,000 HKD ( 10,000 GBP ) deposited into my bank account monthly, 64,000 HKD goes directly to mortgage ( of which 80% is currently paid off principal )
1 month salary paid Chinese New Year annually.
Travel fund 50,000 HKD per annum
Full medical cover
School fees
After 3 years, 15% of 36 times your current basic wage paid as lump sum, then 15% per annum there after.
Profit sharing ( last year 1 months salary, no points for guessing this year )
10-12 days off/month, 10 weeks annual leave, CX staff travel.
and no, I don't work for HKA/HKE
But would happily forfeit all of the above for a decent job in Oz
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Hong Kong Airlines/hong Kong Express
Sister companies, but salary the same.
You think you guys are hard done by, try living in one of the most expensive cities in the world and earning this.
Salary figures can be confirmed on PPJN.
737-800 Captain basic Salary = 30000 HKD per month (3867 USD)
737-800 F/O basic salary = 17500 HKD per month (2255 USD)
Those figures are before tax.
No increase in pay each year. A 20 year pilot will earn the same as a 1st year pilot.
No pension, no gratuity. Only 1,500 HKD (193 USD)will be contributed into your provident fund (MPF) per month, after the first 13 months service in the company.
Annual leave = 28 days per annum. No credit given or extra annual leave given for working public holidays. No extra pay for working public holiday.
No flights home to home country.
Roster still unstable, even after 4 years they can not get it right.
No housing allowance.
They have flight pay but with no minimum guarantee. You really could earn Base salary, and not much more.
No communication. You do not realize your getting a pay cut until your paycheck comes through or not. They do not even send an email to explain their plans.
Labour law in Hong Kong supports the company not the employee. Employee has no rights.
You disagree with changes to contract = employment terminated with no reason.
Bonded for 15,000 USD - 50,000 USD even if your type rated with experience on type. Bond period 1-5 years
Good things about these companies...... NIL
If your considering working here, apply for ANY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, or jump off a building. Both are better options.
Sister companies, but salary the same.
You think you guys are hard done by, try living in one of the most expensive cities in the world and earning this.
Salary figures can be confirmed on PPJN.
737-800 Captain basic Salary = 30000 HKD per month (3867 USD)
737-800 F/O basic salary = 17500 HKD per month (2255 USD)
Those figures are before tax.
No increase in pay each year. A 20 year pilot will earn the same as a 1st year pilot.
No pension, no gratuity. Only 1,500 HKD (193 USD)will be contributed into your provident fund (MPF) per month, after the first 13 months service in the company.
Annual leave = 28 days per annum. No credit given or extra annual leave given for working public holidays. No extra pay for working public holiday.
No flights home to home country.
Roster still unstable, even after 4 years they can not get it right.
No housing allowance.
They have flight pay but with no minimum guarantee. You really could earn Base salary, and not much more.
No communication. You do not realize your getting a pay cut until your paycheck comes through or not. They do not even send an email to explain their plans.
Labour law in Hong Kong supports the company not the employee. Employee has no rights.
You disagree with changes to contract = employment terminated with no reason.
Bonded for 15,000 USD - 50,000 USD even if your type rated with experience on type. Bond period 1-5 years
Good things about these companies...... NIL
If your considering working here, apply for ANY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, or jump off a building. Both are better options.
ing great pilot 