First Officer for Sale on Ebay (for free!!)
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[..]prostituting yourself is not only degeading, but gives our Airlines even more leverage to chip away at our already ever decreasing T&C's.
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To all the knockers on here: Fair enough ...conditions eroded...morally questionable...blah blah blah, but own up - how many of you stating your strong opinions still have a job (which is, after all, your motivation for wanting to maintain the status quo in the first place)? This guy doesn't have a job. Until you're in (or back in) his position, I suggest you keep quiet for fear of offending those less fortunate than yourselves.
Above someone mentioned aviation being a circus, now it appears to be full of conservative thinking NIMBYs. Worse, NIMBYs wth inflated egos.
Above someone mentioned aviation being a circus, now it appears to be full of conservative thinking NIMBYs. Worse, NIMBYs wth inflated egos.
What?! Sitting on his arse writing stupid things on the internet is being proactive?
Why not get yourself knocking on the front door of everybody in this country who owns an aeroplane?
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1. How is it ironic?
2. Writing on Ebay, I would hazard a guess, is NOT what most people in this industry would consider good job hunting skills.
Perhaps he should precisely actually do it. Instead of sitting there advertising on a completely irrelevant wesite waiting for people to offer him a job maybe he should precisely actually go out looking for one.
1. How is it ironic?
2. Writing on Ebay, I would hazard a guess, is NOT what most people in this industry would consider good job hunting skills.
that is precisely what the lad has metaphorically done...
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I think he's probably already done that, and his Ebay listing was just a bit of fun and a way to vent some frustration.
Good luck to him! Although I would say that his training is incomplete as he evidently hasn't read:
CAP987665. The Avoidance Of Humour In Aircrews.
Good luck to him! Although I would say that his training is incomplete as he evidently hasn't read:
CAP987665. The Avoidance Of Humour In Aircrews.
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An interesting thread for sure. I am not a pilot but would like to be (well, I want to be in a well paid career that entails doing something I am genuinely interested in; I'll give you one guess as to which part of that sentence applies to Aviation and me).
However there are limits - there is no way on God's Green Earth I would do ANY job for free (except charity work, IF I had some other sort of income). I honestly can't see Mr eBay doing such a thing either. If I was in charge and someone offered to work for me for free, I'd have strong questions about what that person's real motives are.
However there are limits - there is no way on God's Green Earth I would do ANY job for free (except charity work, IF I had some other sort of income). I honestly can't see Mr eBay doing such a thing either. If I was in charge and someone offered to work for me for free, I'd have strong questions about what that person's real motives are.
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1. How is it ironic?
2. Writing on Ebay, I would hazard a guess, is NOT what most people in this industry would consider good job hunting skills.
Perhaps he should precisely actually do it.
Ha ha ha the bitterness of some people here towards anyone with a different way of thinking is astounding. Good luck to the guy.
Get a life, and relax about other people's lives.
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""A-ha.. maybe that's the key. If everybody is complaining that they can't find a job using the industry standard job hunting handbook, how about trying something else?""
If you read this thread from the top you will see that this ebay add was not a serious attempt to secure "gainful" employment but apparently some sort of "joke" aimed at highlighting the plight of the wannabe.
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“This was obviouly done as a joke and i apologise if it not that obvious to you or has caused you too much offence! It was done more to highlight the plight of low hours pilots, in an amusing way, who are being treated worse then prostiutes- "paying to get
by airlines and line training organisations who force us to pay to fly passengers around which is, in my opinion, ridiculous.”
The only proactive thing this chap has done is to drive T & Cs even lower and make a mockery of the profession of an airline pilot.
I am not bitter, I have a very good airline job which I didn't buy and I want to keep it thank you very much. I've nothing against wannabes but flying for free/paying to fly is not the answer.
If you read this thread from the top you will see that this ebay add was not a serious attempt to secure "gainful" employment but apparently some sort of "joke" aimed at highlighting the plight of the wannabe.
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“This was obviouly done as a joke and i apologise if it not that obvious to you or has caused you too much offence! It was done more to highlight the plight of low hours pilots, in an amusing way, who are being treated worse then prostiutes- "paying to get
by airlines and line training organisations who force us to pay to fly passengers around which is, in my opinion, ridiculous.”The only proactive thing this chap has done is to drive T & Cs even lower and make a mockery of the profession of an airline pilot.
I am not bitter, I have a very good airline job which I didn't buy and I want to keep it thank you very much. I've nothing against wannabes but flying for free/paying to fly is not the answer.
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I personally thought the 'advert' was quite funny, but the bigger joke is the fact that this thread has run to 4 pages of debate on the subject.
Maybe they should start to include a "sense of humour development" hour on recurrent CRM courses...
Maybe they should start to include a "sense of humour development" hour on recurrent CRM courses...
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How about adding an ATPL module that teaches the difference between dreams and reality?
The number of gullible/stupid/naive fATPLs out there with more money than sense looking for that "dream" 737/320 job is criminal all because they fell for the spin of their FTO.
There are no jobs. FULL STOP
Are there ANY other professional pilots reading this forum? Do you have any respect left for our profession?
The number of gullible/stupid/naive fATPLs out there with more money than sense looking for that "dream" 737/320 job is criminal all because they fell for the spin of their FTO.
There are no jobs. FULL STOP
Are there ANY other professional pilots reading this forum? Do you have any respect left for our profession?
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Are there ANY other professional pilots reading this forum? Do you have any respect left for our profession?
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Are there ANY other professional pilots reading this forum? Do you have any respect left for our profession?
I'm not saying posting yourself on ebay is right, but there are many professionals recently made redundant who I'm sure can sympathise with this person and understand the desparation that may have led to this posting on ebay.
Anyway, gave me a laugh (very unprofessional).
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There really are some total humourless muppets who post on here sometimes.
I'd rather fly with this chap who put himself up on EBay than half of the miserable toads who've posted here.
Being a "professional" doesn't mean you have to be a boring robot. In fact the most "professional" people I've flown with are usually the ones you have the most fun with. Yes flying can be a serious business at times, but not always and in these current depressing times, having a sense of humour is a good idea.
I must be unprofessional as I found it amusing. Blaming and attacking this young bloke for this is totally uncalled for and says more about the miserable and irrational nature of some posters than it will ever say about him.
I'd rather fly with this chap who put himself up on EBay than half of the miserable toads who've posted here.
Being a "professional" doesn't mean you have to be a boring robot. In fact the most "professional" people I've flown with are usually the ones you have the most fun with. Yes flying can be a serious business at times, but not always and in these current depressing times, having a sense of humour is a good idea.
I must be unprofessional as I found it amusing. Blaming and attacking this young bloke for this is totally uncalled for and says more about the miserable and irrational nature of some posters than it will ever say about him.
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I was also recently made redundant, but feel it was more a result of the crumbling economy and (at the time) rocketing price of fuel/oil rather than people paying for type ratings/ebay jokes.
Just my opinion. Insert backlash here.
Just my opinion. Insert backlash here.
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But aerancoman you are speaking from the point of view of someone who already had a flying job and hours on type, and trying to retrospectively solve your redundancy problem from that perspective, which I can understand. Your problem was created by the fact that supply of pilots outstrips demand. Whilst pilots working for free (in order, don't forget to further their own long term careers, whereas you are interested in protecting yours) won't help this situation, they merely exacerbate the cause, rather than create the problem.
I agree with SAS above, too much sense of humour failure in this thread in the name of so called professionalism.
I agree with SAS above, too much sense of humour failure in this thread in the name of so called professionalism.
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I really am astonished firstly by this thread now being on its 5th page, and secondly by the lack of humor of some people. I even got a death threat on my ebay email account which i thought was a tad harsh!Really...I am however glad to tell you all i am still alive!Phew.
I did this as a JOKE-i can't actually believe i am having to take the time to explain my actions to what is pretty obviously not a serious advert! I agree with everyone out there who is complaining how ridiculous it is i am offering myself for free- it is mad! However, I am shortly about to undertake line training costing tens of thousands which is a lot worse then. The possibility of the one in a million chance that i might somehow find free line training/ job for the cost of a ten pence joke advert on ebay- why not- i have nothing really to loose.
The options currently open to fATPLs out there is very limited as there are few if no jobs currently available. Yes, i am fortunate enough to be able to afford to further my career by paying to gain experience so why not. I really feel that if you were in the position I am you would do as much as you possibly could to further your career in order to earn a wage at the end of the day. This is what the market is dictating at the moment and there are many many more fATPL's doing exactly the same.
I look forward to the abuse from the nit wits out there that can't comprehend this and I thank all those who can actually see the funny side of what was a JOKE from a 22 year old with a very empty bank balance!
I did this as a JOKE-i can't actually believe i am having to take the time to explain my actions to what is pretty obviously not a serious advert! I agree with everyone out there who is complaining how ridiculous it is i am offering myself for free- it is mad! However, I am shortly about to undertake line training costing tens of thousands which is a lot worse then. The possibility of the one in a million chance that i might somehow find free line training/ job for the cost of a ten pence joke advert on ebay- why not- i have nothing really to loose.
The options currently open to fATPLs out there is very limited as there are few if no jobs currently available. Yes, i am fortunate enough to be able to afford to further my career by paying to gain experience so why not. I really feel that if you were in the position I am you would do as much as you possibly could to further your career in order to earn a wage at the end of the day. This is what the market is dictating at the moment and there are many many more fATPL's doing exactly the same.
I look forward to the abuse from the nit wits out there that can't comprehend this and I thank all those who can actually see the funny side of what was a JOKE from a 22 year old with a very empty bank balance!
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10 years. Tops, before flying is no longer a job but a hobby you pay for.
Save some of your salary by the way, you'll need it when time comes to pay for your command course...
Save some of your salary by the way, you'll need it when time comes to pay for your command course...
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That's as maybe, but it is a bit harsh to blame the ills of this industry on one inexperienced 22 year old.
I reckon many of us so called "professionals" should look at our own actions and how we've allowed this sort of situation to arise.
Of course it's a rubbish situation, but the foundations were laid for this when this lad was still in nappies.
I reckon many of us so called "professionals" should look at our own actions and how we've allowed this sort of situation to arise.
Of course it's a rubbish situation, but the foundations were laid for this when this lad was still in nappies.
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Yes, i am fortunate enough to be able to afford to further my career by paying to gain experience so why not
and I thank all those who can actually see the funny side of what was a JOKE from a 22 year old with a very empty bank balance!
