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Are Ryanair no longer hiring former employees?

Old 13th Dec 2008, 12:05
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Are Ryanair no longer hiring former employees?

Hello, long time reader but first poster. I heard from a colleague today that Ryanair are now turning down applications from former employees of the company? Sounds very strange to me, can anyone confirm this? Basically he said if you worked for them and left you can not return again.

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Old 13th Dec 2008, 12:09
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Many companies do that, especially in times where there is a big surplus of experienced pilots out there. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Probably if you left on 'bad terms' they won't let you back in the door.

Like any company, if you resign, give your required notice and pay your bond if you're bonded. What's the point in dragging your name through the sh1t??

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Old 13th Dec 2008, 12:21
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Its not true. FR are selective about who they accept back but they do re-hire former employees. Alas, if you dirtied your bib, I think there is no chance of return.
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Old 13th Dec 2008, 12:38
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FR do take back former employees, however, at the moment there is not much demand for anything other than F/Os.
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Old 13th Dec 2008, 15:48
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at the moment there is not much demand for anything other than F/Os.
In order to keep the training section profitable that is. There's no demand for more F/O's to actually fly the line.
The score is simple: F/O's are being forced on illegal unpaid leave, so obviosuly more recruits are not needed. But: it's cheaper to have trainees fly than "expensive" F/O's, so newbies are merely there to shaft the more established guys.
But's it a zero sum game as this years newbies will be next years illegal unpaid leave recipients as the amount of aircraft parked up increases dramatically next year. Remember: fr are in enormous financial doo doo.

Slim, why don't you reveal to us your vested interest in encouraging applicants to pay big money to buy a job at ryanair when it's obvious they are utterly unneeded and will be unpaid for significant amounts of time in the future?
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Old 13th Dec 2008, 17:39
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What a load of absolute .......You post
Get a life man and stop acting like a small self indulgent child.
You spend too much time on here spouting anti RYR retoric, this makes me wonder if you have a proper job, and even if you do, you would probably having nothing good to say about your employer, your just that type of low life.
Lay off RYR, and remember that those at RYR are there by choice and have passed both selection and a high standard training course.
If RYR are in trouble put up the truth supported by facts not rumour, otherwise wind your neck in, you are becoming stale and repetative in the extreem.
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Old 13th Dec 2008, 18:45
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What a load of absolute .......You post
So you deny all the following:

that aircraft are being parked up.
That ryanair are overcrewed.
that F/O's are getting forced unpaid leave.
That ryanair employ such tactics as leaving higher paid pilots at home while trainees fly.
that buying a job in an overcrewed airline is a bad idea.
that ryanair will break even at best in 08.
that ryanair will make a huge loss in 09.
that 50 new aircraft in 6 months in the face of declining load factors and average fares is a bad idea.

If RYR are in trouble put up the truth supported by facts not rumour
Its called common sense and ryanairs guidance to the market. Consult your local friendly stock market analyst. Or just check out the (useless) value of share options.

otherwise wind your neck in, you are becoming stale and repetative in the extreem.
Ok, don't read my posts. I'm sure there are plenty of cloud bunnies in la la land to tell you how great it all is. Or do you have some agenda to bury inconvenient truths and opinions?
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Old 13th Dec 2008, 19:32
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I have just read your post
Yes I agree with the following.

That aircraft are being parked up.
That Ryanair are over crewed.
That F/O's are getting forced unpaid leave.
That Ryanair employ such tactics as leaving higher paid pilots at home while trainees fly.

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Aircraft parked up, good economic sense especially as they were so cheap to buy.
Over crewed only during the winter months while aircraft are parked up, becoming Under crewed when new equipment arrives.
It pays to keep crews trained and current and available when needed.
Forced leave in times of lower workload means nothing in RYR, you are not working so its better to have you on leave free from duty than on Contactable or Standby when they know you will not be needed.
Again the Hours will balance over a full year so no loss to the majority on either a RYR or Brookfield contract. At least RYR get a yearly basic.
The cheaper crews on a Brookfield contract will just have to wait a month or so to get back to the average monthly hours.

Good economic sense to use those on lower rates more than the higher, as the money earned will be basically the same for all.

Greed seems to rule your ego, i.e. why should i earn less this year than last
Answer You signed the contract and accepted the terms.
The contract did not state you would fly a minimum number of hours each year.
It is better to share the work out evenly throughout the year than have some earning big bucks and others much less.
I am willing to bet at the end of 12 months the F/O's will be in the region of 800 to 850 hours regardless.
Or do you want the lions share and sod the others. (Probably your one of those ME and only ME type of people)

Planned recruitment for 2009 has started with the holding pool already filling up, if there is to be a downturn they will not be taken on but i feel sure that the courses will be full when they start again in 2009.

RYR Management have sense and the Airline will survive especially as oil is $46 per barrel.
Finally the deal on new aircraft was one of the industries most innovative and I am sure that the cost to RYR is well below market rates and will remain so for several years to come.
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Well done DayDreamer.

I cannot believe the absolute crass hypocrisy of the Camel:he hijacks every thread about Ryanair to bang his well worn drum to his own lamentable beat.

Give it a rest Camel, we all know you have chips on both shoulders: leave your ID with the Base Captain and close the door when you leave.

If you don't like it stop taking the money and find another job elsewhere!
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Old 14th Dec 2008, 12:06
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Hey... am I missing something here? Isn't this thread supposed to be about the prospects of former employees of Ryanair being rehired with the company?
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Yep, thread hijack by Camel.
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Well, the thread is going off topic, and we've all heard of and read many things about Ryanair.
Here, we want to discuss about wether or not it's possible to re-join them after you left.

However, personally I totally agree with CamelhAir.
 
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Well, the thread is going off topic, and we've all heard of and read many things about Ryanair.
Here, we want to discuss about wether or not it's possible to re-join them after you left.

However, personally I totally agree with CamelhAir.
 
Old 16th Dec 2008, 00:17
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To anser the question. Yes, they do take back pilots that have left. However, it goes as far as the board room for each application, and very few make it back.
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Old 16th Dec 2008, 01:33
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If I were an employer, I would ask myself, ..why would I employ someone who has already left? then, wants, for whatever reason, to come back??

They are obviously capable of leaving again, so why should I invest time and money, when there are so many other candidates out there who might, be a little more loyal to my cause.

OK, they may have left to better themselves elesewhere, at someonelses expense, but, am I yet another short term stepping stone?

Continuity is what it's all about for employers. They 'might' find it from a new recruit, but what chances from someone who has already shown that they will leave at the drop of a hat?

Having said all that there may well be some good reasons, but, they would have to be bloody good!!
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Old 16th Dec 2008, 08:11
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Easy. RYR wont invest any time or money. Itll be on your time and your money.
Oh and 2hrs in a sim that they own in that middle of the night and no one is using, that you will self position to etc etc...ad nauseum..but then again thats probably why they left isnt it?

As for the alleged 777 hardon types.I agree EG A possible scenario:
They left to join say emirates, left emirates because their garden wasnt as big as their neighbours or EK reduce the allowance for toilet Paper and now it was self wipe, or they found out that a few repetitive monkey see monkey do hours on an ng follwed by 6 months on a 777 didnt qualify them for an early upgrade and previous double Alghero 6 times a week wasnt considered experience or skill enhancing..I got a "3" but im chuck yaeger.... or whatever.
Bottom line they will leave ryr again and nothing has changed. There are fewer charter airlines to absorb them so it will be back to the desert again to QR or some other third world mob trying to be JAR ....and so it goes all their career. All lovingly disguised behind some lame excuse about quality of life when its really worldwide ego chasing with their sometimes family in tow.

From my experience ryr is a rough old place to work and kudos to those who have stuck with it for whatever motivation. As for the company hopping ,grass is greener left seat chasing bullsh1tters...**** em..

I love being on the fence.
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Old 16th Dec 2008, 08:36
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I don't really agree with you that ryr shouldn't rehire 777 hardon candidates. I think they will have matured from their experience and worked out that working for a pig in Europe is still better than living in the ME and 777s are just fools gold, just a plane. Therefore I would defintely rehire them as they would be the best advertisment against going 777 flying and I doubt they would make the same blunder again. Also they would have become seriously well rounded aviators by this time, don't you think?
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He now flies for a different company and ironically enough won't be facing the two weeks unpaid leave like his former colleagues are facing.
Careful now ASFKAP, you'll upset delicate souls such Slim Shady and other ryanair apologists who think unpaid leave doesn't exist!
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Sorry to make a statement off topic again.

For those who continue to question the company Ryanair, I feel really sorry for you guys because you proved that you'll never understand the true beauty of doing real good bussiness.

There is no question that Ryanair made a verry sweet deal with Boeing. That's also the reason why they sell their oldest airframes these days: because of that sweet deal those airframes are probably written off in their balance sheet after 10 years or so (sorry for the language, I'm not a native English speaker). The price they get for those airframes is the rest-value + profit (again not sure of the right spelling), so it makes perfect sense to sell now instead of investing in them to go for another 10 years with Ryanair!

I read an interview with MOL a couple of weeks ago (sorry, don't have a link to a source but I'm sure I've read it somewhere), about the strategy of Ryanair. It comes down to the fact that they want to profit from the economical crisis by being thé alternative for those how prefer to save on airline tickets. And I want to bet that plenty of new candidate customers will turn up in 2009 to make use of that alternative.

If you just look at the balance sheets that you can find on the Ryanair website, than you're blind or can't read if you say that things don't look good for Ryanair. Oh yes, in the interview MOL hinted out that Ryanair really profit of the crisis. At the time that you had to pay 1,5 USD for 1 EUR, they went to the bank for a little 'exchange' , how do you think they will pay the next 50 airframes? Correct!

I think too many people made aviation bussiness look verry difficult and for 'elite' only but hey, it's the simple genious that does the best bussiness. Not convinced yet? Have a look at Southwest Airlines in the US.

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